Crystal Blue on disk?

[Psycon]

So much talk over nothing.... how can one not be able to get to a high speed internet connection? First there is school(which sometimes has bradband), second there are internet caffes, one can also try at the public library. I even offer to mail free cds for 5 ppl in my country.

[zabeal]

Originally posted by Psycon
So much talk over nothing.... how can one not be able to get to a high speed internet connection? First there is school(which sometimes has bradband), second there are internet caffes, one can also try at the public library. I even offer to mail free cds for 5 ppl in my country.

Many reasons, In some areas the only internet availabe is dailup, in many more broadband is availbe, but at atleast twice the price, and money is tight. Even in areas where the difference is only $5 a month, it may be hard to convice your parents to upgrade just so you can play a game....
I would like to see people who are willing to donate to the Planeshift team offering to burn CB to cds, and mail them to nearby players.

[hook]

*finished reading the PS license*

hmm... so, to sum it up:

1) GPL permits you to sell CDs and charge for the labour and costs you had distributing them - or even charge for other services (like a guarantee, tech support, etc. etc.)
2) the PlaneShift license is a lot more restrictive - which is perfectly understandable for an artistic license. But the restrictions don\'t allow us to manipulate or distribute the PS art in any way. Of course  if you get the devs\' permission, you can but that\'s (usually) the case with all the licenses and IP [Intellectual Property] rights.
3) actually the license that caught my attention the most is the Joint-Copyright PlaneShift License, although it\'s so short and simple. I like it very much ) ...great idea guys! It permits the authors of the copyrighted (uder the PS license) material to use their own work in other projects as they wish - as long as it\'s not another MMORPG ...it\'s a kind of a \"competition clause\" (don\'t know how it\'s named in proper english), but with a lot of freedom for the author.

Q: May I sell CDs with PlaneShift?
A: Not unless the devs give you permission. But, as already said, you can sell the GPL\'d source (if that helps you, of course!) without their explicit permission.

Q: May I burn the CDs for a friend of mine who doesn\'t have a broadband?
A: Yes, with the (silent) permission of the devs. And since there has been such cases already in the past and the devs permitted it, it\'s only logical that they won\'t make a fuss about you sharing this CD with your friend.

Q: May I share PlaneShift over P2P or as a download on my server?
A: Erm, that one\'s a bit tricky. Technically SourceForge, which hosts the PS downloads (and project) works with mirrors, but I guess they have the PS devs\' (silent) permission for that. If the devs would give you the permission too, there\'d be no problem.
The more tricky part is the P2P sharing, since they\'d have to permit it to everybody that shares or downloads - and that\'s pretty much the same as canceling out (or at least narrow it in quite a bit) a quite importaint section of the PS license.

Q: May I download PlaneShift from a P2P or another (non-sf.net) server?
A: As long as the PS dev team don\'t permit it, no.

In short: you may not (re)distribute the whole PlaneShift package unless the devs give you the permission for it. I guess with the burning to share with your friend (for free) can be considered ok, since they\'ve already permitted it a few times.

As you can see I\'ve changed all the \"Can\"s in the questions into \"May\"s ...that\'s what law is all about - it can\'t tell you what you have to do, it can just perscribe you what you should or shouldn\'t.

p.s. allthough i can\'t say i\'m a pro on IP law, i am a law student :] if that matters to anyone in this case
p.p.s. yes, we the open-source community do make a big fuzz out of legal problems. why? because we\'re being herrassed about it that much!

[dannythompson]

the devs could support those who want to distribute PS further and efficiently by hosting a large file with just the PS art. Then those who buy the CD with the code and ETC on it can drag all of it from the CDs onto thier comp, and DL the 30mgs of art. That would be pretty efficient.

[Macabre Wolf]

Originally posted by Psycon
So much talk over nothing.... how can one not be able to get to a high speed internet connection? First there is school(which sometimes has bradband), second there are internet caffes, one can also try at the public library. I even offer to mail free cds for 5 ppl in my country.

I can\'t get broadband because it is not available here. My school does have it but they don\'t allow us to download of the internet, incase of viruses, nevermind burning things onto CD\'s and as far as I know no-one that I know has a broadband connection. So there is a reason for all this talk.

And Mindari I can\'t leave this running overnight, becuase this computer overheats after about six hours, plus the last time I had to check back on it every hour because the download periodically stopped halfway through the file and I had to restart it.

[Andycornell]

Originally posted by dannythompson

Originally posted by Zeraph
Actually if the Dev\'s made a slight change in the license it would be legal

DO you have any idea how long this would take? months maybe years.

As owner of my own IT company i know this well, but It wont take That long time, though in this case it would be pointless.

But the idea of distobuting art and code for itself is good. this makes it easyer for People with dialup to get a copy without paying to much.

But, this is up to the devs.   I, nor my company will distrobute Planeshift in any way. I said my final word in this case.

p.s. Hook, thanks for writing the Faq thing. i was about to do it, but you beat me to it.

[hook]

Originally posted by Macabre Wolf
I can\'t get broadband because it is not available here. My school does have it but they don\'t allow us to download of the internet, incase of viruses, nevermind burning things onto CD\'s and as far as I know no-one that I know has a broadband connection. So there is a reason for all this talk.

And Mindari I can\'t leave this running overnight, becuase this computer overheats after about six hours, plus the last time I had to check back on it every hour because the download periodically stopped halfway through the file and I had to restart it.

ow, that sucks

...maybe you could at least fix the overheating problem ...but I\'m pretty sure you could find a kind soul here (maybe even a dev) to send you a copy on a CD via ordinary mail.

[Macabre Wolf]

Originally posted by hook
ow, that sucks

...maybe you could at least fix the overheating problem ...but I\'m pretty sure you could find a kind soul here (maybe even a dev) to send you a copy on a CD via ordinary mail.

Yeah that\'s why I started this thread, but maybe word of it hasn\'t reached the devs yet. Not so sure about giving out my address to a \'kind soul\' though.

[oompa]

Thats why it sucks to have dial up...

Took 2 weeks to download WoW Beta

[hook]

Originally posted by Macabre Wolf

Originally posted by hook
ow, that sucks

...maybe you could at least fix the overheating problem ...but I\'m pretty sure you could find a kind soul here (maybe even a dev) to send you a copy on a CD via ordinary mail.

Yeah that\'s why I started this thread, but maybe word of it hasn\'t reached the devs yet. Not so sure about giving out my address to a \'kind soul\' though.

how about you ask them directly? probably better if you ask them to send you the CB release (when it comes out soon-ish)

irc server: irc.freenode.net
channel: #planeshift

on the side note: do you know what exactly causes the overheating? is it the graphic card or the processor? ...sometimes a small cooler/ventillator can do wonders

[Macabre Wolf]

Originally posted by hook

Originally posted by Macabre Wolf

Originally posted by hook
ow, that sucks

...maybe you could at least fix the overheating problem ...but I\'m pretty sure you could find a kind soul here (maybe even a dev) to send you a copy on a CD via ordinary mail.

Yeah that\'s why I started this thread, but maybe word of it hasn\'t reached the devs yet. Not so sure about giving out my address to a \'kind soul\' though.

how about you ask them directly? probably better if you ask them to send you the CB release (when it comes out soon-ish)

irc server: irc.freenode.net
channel: #planeshift

on the side note: do you know what exactly causes the overheating? is it the graphic card or the processor? ...sometimes a small cooler/ventillator can do wonders

IRC oh joy, I\'ll give it a try though.

It\'s not the computer that overheats I meant the adapter.

[Psycon]

Macabre Wolf, if you live in Romania give me a PM, I\'ll send you the CD, but don\'t expect to get it as soon as the release is out as I have to get it through a friend too.

PS: school sistem admins could be bribed to get you to use the internet

[Kiva]

You can send all the cd\'s you want, you just can\'t charge for it. Not for the cd and not for spending time copying the game onto the cd. So if you intend to help people by making copies of CB for them, give them a mail address and have them send an envelope with a cd-r(w) or dvd-r(w) in that you can then send back. It\'s the best way to do it without charging anything, and it doesn\'t break the license.

Aside from that... No. Noone will let you charge for sending out cd\'s, and you unless you\'re really desperate or have a lot of money to waste, you shouldn\'t waste it on getting a cd. You need to remember that if you are going to recieve it from a foreign country, it can easily take 5-10 days before your mail arrives at his place, and then 5-10 days for him to send it back. That\'s 10-20 days where you can easily download the 200-250MB with a 56k (hevrah downloaded the first installer in less than 24 hours with his 56k, so it is possible).

[Macabre Wolf]

Originally posted by Gronomist
You can send all the cd\'s you want, you just can\'t charge for it. Not for the cd and not for spending time copying the game onto the cd. So if you intend to help people by making copies of CB for them, give them a mail address and have them send an envelope with a cd-r(w) or dvd-r(w) in that you can then send back. It\'s the best way to do it without charging anything, and it doesn\'t break the license.

Aside from that... No. Noone will let you charge for sending out cd\'s, and you unless you\'re really desperate or have a lot of money to waste, you shouldn\'t waste it on getting a cd. You need to remember that if you are going to recieve it from a foreign country, it can easily take 5-10 days before your mail arrives at his place, and then 5-10 days for him to send it back. That\'s 10-20 days where you can easily download the 200-250MB with a 56k (hevrah downloaded the first installer in less than 24 hours with his 56k, so it is possible).

Well actually it\'s only 5-10 days not 10-20 because you don\'t install it once they have the disk back, or I wouldn\'t, I\'d install it as soon as I get the disk. But I\'ve been told it\'s more like 600MB that\'d take about three days fully connected to the net to download, that means no phone calls or browsing the net. The latter would at least double the time to download so that\'s 6-8 days and that\'s without any problems with disconnecting at night, downloading problems, etc., so for people on 56k a disk is much easier.

This problem has been solved with the devs anyway.

[Xordan]

Yeah, we asked acraig about it and it\'s really upto Talad if he wants to have something like this for the future...

And the download is only 200mb, not 600mb.