just got foxfire, and lovin' it

[fireofsoul]

yet you have ad\'s on opera if you dont buy it.. or.. find a serial

[Uyaem]

Originally posted by fireofsoul
yet you have ad\'s on opera if you dont buy it.. or.. find a serial

True. But since Opera 7.5 there\'s an option to use either the standard ads or google ads, and the latter one has a very small size (about 1cm in height on a 1600x1200 resolution on a 21\" Monitor, full screen width) which doesn\'t bother me.

[Seytra]

Originally posted by WiseKran
I run Zone Alarm, Norton anti-V, Ad-aware, spyware doctor, spyware S&D,  McAfee,  and Norton system works, along with
Firefox now instead of Internet explorer, I am very pleased with the pop-up blocker and other features, this is just another step to running a very clean and neat machine.

if you cant tell that i am obsessed with having a perfectly clean system by now....

The best feature of any alternative browser is the inability to do ActiveX. Oh yeah, I don\'t ever update windoze, who knows what gets sent and modified? No, I prefer a firewall, M$ hasn\'t got a clue about security anway, despite all their pretense. M$ is just pathetic.

[WiseKran]

same thing with me, i NEVER update windows, and i kept my widnows xp, without the service packs, so that i could still get java, not to mention that the service packs are full of bugs and security flaws.

[Xordan]

Thank you for telling me that. Now that I know you never update windows, I can connect to your IP, get a shell, and delete all your programs using one of the many exploits your systems are vunerable to.

Seriously... all you need is one script-kiddie on a field day who pings you and your both screwed..... Firewalls and anti-viruses don\'t do jack all if your system has kernel level vunerabilities...

[Dameon]

You don\'t need a windows update to protect your kernals Xordan. Sure, it doesn\'t hurt at all, but it is not totally needed. There are other programs out there to seal down windows.

I am using firefox now. I had never even tried a mozilla browser until I saw this post. Besides a few things that I have to get used to (I was an IE user), firefox is definetly better.

[WiseKran]

i have zone alarm, with that said, nothing gets in, or out of my comp without my consent.    and WINDOWS UPDATES R EVIL!!!!!

[Dameon]

LOL! Zone alarm is good... but not that good. A skilled hacker  can get through any software firewall in about 15 to 30 minutes. It often times helps to double up on software firewalls and to get a linx box (hardware firewall). Sure, even with all that, a skilled hacker can get through in about 2 or 3 hours... but once they see a linx box there, they know there is probably nothing they would find intresting on your PC.

I never said windows updates are evil... because they do secure up your PC.

[fireofsoul]

i use zone alarm, it annoys me though when i go to play a new game online.. pops up and slows everything down for a bit

[Olig]

Last time I updated my windows, it became more unstable than ever. It took me months to get it working properly again, and it still doesnt work as well as it used to. MS office now tries to re-install itself whenever I try to open word, excel, or access; but it doesnt need to, I just hit cancel and the program pops up. I let it re-install once and it fixed nothing. Also, my .net frameworks are nearly shot.

I know more than one person who has lost their entire computer due to windows updates. Maybe it was because they both had dells? My computer I built myself.

[fireofsoul]

i installed a few updates a month or so ago.. my computer would load windows then reboot, once i removed them in safe mode it was all sweet again

[WiseKran]

i have 2 hardware firewalls, a D-link, and one other for multiple wireless connections, not to mention i have zone alarm, and norton, and mcAfee, which all have firewalls and auto protect mode.

i think it would be way too much to work to try to get through all that when they could just slip inot someone elses comp who doesn\'t have any protection

[Seytra]

Originally posted by WiseKran
i think it would be way too much to work to try to get through all that when they could just slip inot someone elses comp who doesn\'t have any protection

Exactly. I have a hardware firewall as well, and it\'s security is reasonably tightened. A skilled hacker wouldn\'t be stopped by it, of course, since you can circumvent anything that isn\'t an unplugged cable, but there isn\'t anything for a skilled hacker to be worth the effort anyway. And the script kiddie will not get through (I get several port scans and other break-in attempts per day anyway). AMOF, when there was all this hype about these worms and viruses that kept spreading like wildfires, the only thing I noticed was a big increase in firewall log entries, but of course nothing got through to anywhere. That, and I don\'t open unknown emails, and even less do I open their attachments, and also, anything that didn\'t originate in my lan (or left it unless it\'s a CD) is being scanned for viruses. Furthermore, I\'ve disabled almost anything but plain HTML in my browsers, which makes it very hard for malicious websites to slip anything in. Therefore, I don\'t think I \'ll have to worry about Xordan breaking into my system (and even if you do, you may actually delete everything because there\'s nothing on this machine anyway. In fact, my second harddisk just died and I totally didn\'t mind because I just reinstalled what was on it onto the first one.).