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[Seytra]

Originally posted by Kiern
It is a public chatroom.  Anyone can download it and anyone can log into it.  And what do people do there?  Chat.  Thus, public chat.  

Nope, it\'s not. If it were, it would say so. But AFAICS, it says \"MMORPG\", not \"MMOC\".

Originally posted by Kiern
In answer to your question, no I would not simply because that doesn\'t bother me...but I can see how it does others, which doesn\'t mean it makes them correct. Both sets of people have a right to be there,

I can\'t see why it wouldn\'t bother you, but obviously I am not you, so I can\'t really know. Anyway, it certainly would bother me, and no, there is no actual \"right\" to be there. As I said above, it\'s an RPG, not a chat, and therefore chatting has no right to be there. Therefore, chatting needs to be done in the privacy of the normal talking range if someone complains.

Originally posted by Kiern
you might ask them to quiet down, but overall it has to be their decision.  Unless there is some rule that states \"no shouting across....stuff\" which really doesn\'t make any sense.

Such a rule IMO is implied by \"RPG\" in the description. Of course, MB is a pretty chatroom, but it\'s not meant to be one, therefore chatting is actually abuse of the system. If I ever log on, I don\'t RP, but I also don\'t chat in the /shout channel, because I know how annoying that is. Ppl. always look for some written rules instead of applying some simple principles of politeness and common sense. It doesn\'t say in a restaurant \"don\'t shout\", but guess what, if you did, you\'d be told off rather quickly, and it\'s not \"your right to use the restaurant as you see fit unless there is some written rule\", and certainly it\'s not \"their decision\".
Well, OK, technically it is, but you need to be prepared to be treated accordingly, and if afterwards you come here and whine about having been stung after messing with the bees, I\'ll only laugh at you. (not saying that the bees should keep stalking you if you let them be)

So in this sense, this thread doesn\'t serve any purpose other than killing some time.

[Thenior]

This seems like a two sided issue. Both were wrong, and both should have taken care of it, and not come here to \"tell on Golmir.\"

If you were not in the right, you really cannot expect someone else to be in the right too...

If that made no sense, it was probably because it was my first post  

[Kiern]

(reply to Seytra) I still don\'t understand why you see shouting as rude, sure in the formal sense maybe...but you can\'t hear them talking in this game.

I certainly don\'t see the fun in what I see so many people doing in MB, which is standing in a circle and not moving from that spot the entire time.  When I was on I enjoyed running around, doing things.  So, if I wanted to talk to everyone I used /shout. That being it\'s purpose.

And I don\'t know where you\'re pulling that chatting is an abuse of the system, there\'s a \"chat box\" for chatting.

I still think it\'s a public chatroom, they do not have to specifically say it is for it to be one.

Originally posted by Seytra
So in this sense, this thread doesn\'t serve any purpose other than killing some time.

Like...a game? Having...fun maybe?

Originally posted by Thenior
If you were not in the right, you really cannot expect someone else to be in the right too...

Just because someone did something stupid it does not excuse the other person...I see what you\'re saying though, this person really did have no reason to complain.

Alright I\'m done.

[AgentZ]

With CB pulling closer, the RP side of things has heated up in anticipation for the release I imagine. People are hammering things out for their characters to be ready for CB. Shouting shouldn\'t be a chatroom unto itself. If you want to hold a conversation, hold one where not everyone has to hear you. Maybe a single shout such as \"meet at the temple for a chat\" but /shout conversations I believe are an abuse of the system. Seytra has summed up everything and I agree 100%. Just because /you/ believe it\'s a public chatroom, doesn\'t mean everyone else does.

[Adeli]

I am with Seytra on this, someone would be in touble if they were yelling to start conversation in one of my PnP games... Sure we talk OOC, but only when necessary, and never yelling.
He should have gone to the temple, and asked them... as for shouting conversations, ugh... I hate it when I forget shout is on (Ciry\'s Mod).
I don\'t think it\'s a chat room, but if people want to, they should keep it to themselves. I\'ve had a few OOC discussions, all using /say between a small group in the temple.

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Kiern
(reply to Seytra) I still don\'t understand why you see shouting as rude, sure in the formal sense maybe...but you can\'t hear them talking in this game.

That\'s very simple: because it shows up on my screen. It clutters up the already tiny space, thus it makes any conversation I might be having harder to follow. Hence, it is annoying.

Originally posted by Kiern
So, if I wanted to talk to everyone I used /shout. That being it\'s purpose.

If it were it\'s purpose, the command wouldn\'t be named /shout, but /chat. Also, there wouldn\'t be a \"talking range\", but only global (/shout) and maybe a /private (/tell) command only. Therefore, obviously /shout is meant to be the ingame equivalent of shouting IRL, i.e. for important and urgent things, not for chatting idly.

Originally posted by Kiern
And I don\'t know where you\'re pulling that chatting is an abuse of the system, there\'s a \"chat box\" for chatting.

Everything that the system isn\'t meant to be ( not to be confused with \"not designed to be! ) is abusing it. It says \"chat box\", but IMO in the IC sense, as you\'ll of course be \"chatting\" IC if you RP. It does therefore apply to IC chatter, not to OOC stuff. But even IC, you\'d not shout... hence, the system isn\'t meant to be used in this way, therefore it\'s abuse.

[Efflixi Aduro]

Golmir is a respected member of ps and he always tries to stay by the rules.  He has a thing about people using the /shout command too much.  I don\'t blame him though.  Many people take advantage of that command using it for idle chat ect.  The shout command should be us if.. well, I cant think of a time to use it By reading your post I could tell your one of those guys who go happy off of the /shout command. \"/shout: hey im on the roof!.\"  \"/shout: hey im outside the city!\" ect.  If you need help find somone and ask, its not hard.
BTW Golmir is a nice guy who helps others follow the rules. You should thank him

[Hadfael]

to    or to  X(  ?
no doubt, rofl
Using Ciry\'s or Aineko\'s mods, I use macros instead of  slowly typing (as I do now) in an average english.

btw to \"what can we do in this game?\" I don\'t answer chat
but #todo
You can Role Play, explore, try 2 quests, collect Crystals, make friends, join a guild, read http://www.psnewb.tk/

Here are the macros I use either in /shout or /say (when within range) and sometimes in /tell xxxx by editing the name (it can be slow with some weird names).

To help you define \'golmir was very rude\':
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Please go easy on the /shouting as it\'s broadcast to everyone playing... head to the temple if you require assistance or use /tell (playername) to make it a personal conversation. So everyone will be able to have as much fun privately as you do.
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When someone forgot the netiquette and shout all in caps
: easy on caps please
Send each time he feels useful to shout \"I DONT CARE\" or any other nice name he cares to give me. If they finally ask \'why?\"
:http://www.onlinenetiquette.com
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When someone opens the wrong page of his dictionary
:Language please
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If for some reason someone asks in the name of what the 3D release of irc he downloaded is supposed to be a RPG I quote the planeshift website
http://www.planeshift.it > community > FAQ : Yes, there will be moderators and a lot of people that will care for the safety and enjoyment of all players. We will not tolerate any bad behaviour. We will have a limited bandwidth and server capabilities, so if some players behaves badly, we will ban it from the game to give more space to other good roleplayers.
____________

So, as it seem to offend some pple, I hope that here there is someone that could correct the offending part.

ps: sorry for not quoting the answers I recieve by /shout or /tell, last time I did, someone was very rude and told me \'language please\"

[Adeli]

That netiquette site is interesting.
I see nothing wrong or offensive with any of your reply macros Golmir, and I know that you use these, as I have seen you. As I already stated, you helped me out a lot on my first day, and I found it hard to believe you were extremely rude to anyone.

My answer to your shakespearian question:  

[Jekkar]

Jezus,why is everyone picking on the guy that started this threat?

I mean people /shout <----this command is made for people to shout in a game.Im sure the guy just wanted someone to talk with. Then you get Golmir who suddenly jumps up from the chatbox and tells you rudely you should stop shouting.

He did the same with me,i mean ,no disrespect to golmir he\'s a long time player. Longer then me and i\'m a pretty old player meself. And he really helps the newbies in to playing the game but

Just let the people have fun. Golmir was obiously inactive or something when the guy was on in the summer,then he relogs back to ps to see whats going on.
He uses the /shout command and bang he has golmir flaming on him.

Well i know for sure this reply of me will get flamed now,i just had to get this off my chest.

[Adeli]

No flames, a question... a simple question.
Did you read this thread?

Edit: Courtesy 10 applies to many people sadly, this includes many gamers.

[Jekkar]

What do you mean did you read this threat,ofcourse i read it i wouldnt reply if i didnt would I ?

[Adeli]

One would presume so, but then one would reaad your post and be forced to reconsider.

[Owl]

Originally posted by Seytra
I disagree, hpesoj. Shouting isn\'t for conversation. Asking for help is fine if it\'s not overdone, buth otherwise there should be no shouting, at least not if there is any RPG going on. /shout fills everyones\' screen, with only very few ppl. interested in it, so it borders on SPAM.

Edit: BTW, a minimum level of politeness needs to be maintained regardless, of course.

Then perhaps they should have played, or RPGed as you put elsewhere! Perhaps they could use thier E-mail adresses and post messages that way.

If someone asks something it is only decent/normal to adres this person, if everyone is too busy RPGin\' in a PUBLIC game then the fault is theirs! The /shout ..... command is used all the time whenever i\'m online there\'s always people using it and no one really bothers or makes a big deal out of it!

I rest my case for now!

[Hatchnet]

I fell I must weigh in yes the shout comand has been and does get used alot most of the time however I only use it when speaking to more than one person many times I have been talking to an npc and not even been able to scroll and read what he said because every time someone shouts it resets the srceen to the bottom.