Wierd homework, your oppinion?

[Karyuu]

>>>Only couples that will in some way give back to society should be allowed to marry.<<<

How can you tell if they will give back to society? Is there a contract they have to sign?

>>>They give back 2.3 children with at the least some high school education who are ready to take their places in society.<<<

Is this a proven fact? What of those who never plan to have children, as I don\'t? Will that mean I\'m not going to be allowed to marry? And what of those who give back to society rapists, murderers, and thieves? What of those who marry, then are abusive to their children? What of children that suffer from neglect?

What perfect little world do you live in, ArcaneFalcon, and can you share your sercret path?

>>>What do homosexual couples give back for their benefits? _Nothing_.<<<

Oh really? So if a couple doesn\'t have children, then they are meaningless to society? There is nothing else they can achieve, no greatness they can share with the world? Is that what relationships are - baby-making agreements?

>>>Why do so many homosexuals start out straight, dating people of the opposite sex.<<<

Maybe because that is what society teaches them?

Why do so many atheists start out as theists?

>>>Why do so many homosexuals turn straight later in life, going on to marry and have a normal family?<<<

Maybe because that is what society wants of them, so they repress their own urges and think that they are \'normal\' and happy?

>>>People single them out because they are a threat to society, because they attack the institution of marriage, and for many (including me) it goes against their morals and beliefs.<<<

You know what the real threat to society is? Closed thinking.


*edit* Reading ArcaneFalcon\'s post again, it shows just far too many faults to ignore. Homosexual marriage stressing society? Come on! And what if they \"turn straight\" later and marry? Same amount of people, same received benefits, just different sexes. Ridiculous argument.

[Ghostslayer]

Originally posted by ArcaneFalcon
 They would choose to become homosexual because there are social and other influences that tell them that it is not only ok, but even that it is better for them.  You\'re right, no person would willingly choose a path that would lead them to be a social outcast.  But then again, choosing to be a homosexual doesn\'t do this (just look at how many of you support them).

This may be a valid argument today, but its not as though people have been homosexual only when it was more of an accepted practice.  People have been hiding/trying to cover it up for well over a hundred years.
Leaving the genetic argument behind, it contradicts what you said (about choosing a social outcast lifestyle).

[hitancrias]

To answer the question ?how do you think homo/bi sexuals fit in the social life??

I live in the Netherlands, one of the most homo friendly countries. But whenI look at the situation of homo?s I know, they have had struggles to give it a place anyway. First they are in doubt of what kind of preference they really have. Then they discover they are homo but keep it secret during the time they need to get sure. Then they have to decide about and presumably plan a ?coming out?. All those thoughts, decisions and doubts may cause instability in the puberty and therefore can affect social life. (Apart from a possible lack of social acceptance)

I?m not a homo myself, nor a psychologist , this is just what I make up when talking with a few homos.

[AendarCallenlasse]

ArcaneFalcon:

Science may not prove it, but psychology can.  Think of it this way:

If 10000 people were brought up in a sterilized environment (think Truman Show) with no references to homosexuallity some of them would still turn out to be gay.  If a person is not born a certain way then obviously they learn it.  As this experiment would prove that wrong then obviously they are born that way.

Now if you are referring to being born homosexual as in right out of the womb then you are correct.  But the same is true for being straight.  No one is born that way.  At a certain age those feelings develop in a person, usually puberty.

What I am saying is there is no way to prevent someone from becoming gay.  It\'s who they are.  These \"Christian Prisoncamps\" that claim that they can cure homosexuallity....well if you believe that you are more of a moron than I thought you to be.

[Efflixi Aduro]

I have a simpl rule about that. Let them do what hey want as long as they leave me alone.  I dont care if somone if homo or whatever as long as they dont start hitting on me.  I dont see why people hate it so much, its not like it effects them in any way.  If theres one word the whole world should understand its Tolerance.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by ArcaneFalcon
They give back 2.3 children with at the least some high school education who are ready to take their places in society.

Great! They give their input into the global overpopulation! \\o/
hmm... let\'s see... I suppose homosexuals are less agressive so I think they fit quite well... unless social life is all about killing each other.
What really destroys society is no tolerance. Be that for homosexuals, different races or religions.

- Swords

[Madouc]

ok, about the not getting children part and being a burdon to society.

on the other hand, they can both work without having to take care of children so they can work more and thus pay more taxes and they have more to spend thus feeding local economy.

ik personally beleve in love from soul to soul. if that soul happens to be in a body of the same sex then i wouldn\'t love him/her less.
(talking real love here, not reproducing love)

and how about people who started out married streight and then turning gay because they just don\'t feel right with a person from the other sex.

- just my 2 tria on that.

[snow_RAveN]

Hmmm... i had a question like this given to be some time back, \"the goverment is trying to foster equal-opportunity in work places and what a better way to get the massage across then to brain wa ... err i mean teach students.

Needless to say, the whole idea was wasted effort (in a way)  as we kept cracking jokes, and made alot of crude remarks..  like (a less explict example)
Q: if you found out your son was gay, what would you do ?
A: i\'d find him XXX mags *cue laughter*

And this was comming form a non-christain. Asian culture isn\'t really open about its homo/bi sexuals, with the exception of thailand.

There were also leafleats on how homo/bi sexuals are unjustly treated in work places stuff like verbal harrasment, but the leaflets are proly siting somewhere in the bottom of a trash heap or they have been recycled so can\'t help you out much Androgos.

-2 cents and a half chewed bubble gum-

[sashok]

without all the stereotypes you will see that homosexuals are same as everyone else.  just watch oprah, she likes to bring all kinda homos on stage to show them off.  
homosexuality is not genetic, I don\'t believe you are born homosexual, I think it happens somewhere very early in child\'s life.  Like Freud I believe lot of important life shaping stuff happens early in childhood.

[Androgos]

Thanks for all answers and oppinions!
Really huge thanks to all of you

Puh, that finishes my homework..
What kind it is? Me and my classmates were given this task to discuss with people and I thought that this forum and IRC was a good place because it\'s international.
It\'s to be reviewed on notes and 2-3 pages handwritten of the peoples take on this.

Again, thanks a lot. You saved my a**

[AendarCallenlasse]

Mmmhmmm and what a cute a** it is.

>.>
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-=leaves=-

[Annah]

err, Darn!
 I\'ve missed a pretty good subject. Well, since I can\'t write full pages now, I\'ll be brief:
 \"They\" are ok as long some lesbi girl (EDIT! - DON\'T ) steals my g/f

[Merdarion]

At First it seems a bit wierd. But it is an actual theme. The number of Homos & Bis is growing. I for myself think that they are doomed to be outsiders, because most people are offended by them.

[Adeli]

Hmm, I would have liked to voice my opinion on this, too late though.
Merdarion, I am not sure about that, I know many gay people, and despite the odd idiot, they are well liked.
As for gay marriage... I see no reason why not.

Annah, I agree with you, except that noone, male or female could ever steal my girlfriend.

[Waylander]

Of course not Adeli, you would have to have one for it to be stolen (just jking )

And I am against gay marriages!!

I am against all marriages

Stupid marriageness...what is the point in it, you marry somebody because you love her/him?  so, if you don\'t marry it makes no difference.  The only difference is that you need marriage so you don\'t cheat because it makes you feel guilty...if you really love somebody you don\'t need to get married