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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2004, 10:31:50 am »
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You really should read Seytra\'s post... I agree with everything he just said.
Yeah, you\'re right.  I just read it and also agreed (why are women always right?).  Especially with the \"I absolutely and deeply hate the \"this is fantasy\" argument, because it completely fails to adress any point.\"  I couldn\'t agree more.  I\'ll at least try to skim posts that are so long I don\'t want to read them from now on.

As far as \"The only form of brain manipulation I\'ve heard of is electrical stimulation\" goes, I think that you are correct.  The brain works by sending electrical impulses, and poking it would only sever signals.  Even if poking it did work, brains have areas that do different things, so all the needles for movement would be in the same small area (not one up front, and 2 on the sides).  Now if you were poking at nerves, I think it would be a different story, but the brain itself is pretty out there.  OT: I read something about some scientists who sent small amounts of electrical current through people\'s temples.  It increased their short term memory capacity by 30% or something.  I thought it was pretty interesting.

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We\'ll, Planeshift is a phantasy.
Science just cant explane Phantasy *sci fi yes, phantasy no*
Uhh, are you and I watching the same sci fi movies?  All I know is that I haven\'t seen a single sci fi movie that could be explained by science.  As for the fantasy part, I think we\'ve already been over this.  And if you\'re wanting to sound more intelligent, grab a spell/grammar checker for starters.  Then once you\'ve got that mastered, maybe move to a thesaurus.  Edit:  Did that sound rude?  It wasn\'t meant to.

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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2004, 11:31:09 am »
We are the Borg...er...Ceatac\'e.  Resistance is futile.

Translation-> Lose the probes.

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« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2004, 03:00:09 pm »
It somehow reminds me of a Chocoboo of Final Fantasy.
I want to be a flame, to crumble to ash, but never ever burnt.

I want to rise higher, rise up to the heavens, but sink, just sink down deeper and deeper into nothing,

I want to be an angel, a chosen, a devil, but I am just a creature that ever wants what it wont get.


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« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2004, 03:06:46 pm »
It\'s a bit too colorful. And that device should be a bit more decent, but else it\'s a good idea. Maybe you should steer it in a magical way [Maybe trough Glyphes?!], which would be more fitting in PS, but the technical stuff also sounds interresting
I want to be a flame, to crumble to ash, but never ever burnt.

I want to rise higher, rise up to the heavens, but sink, just sink down deeper and deeper into nothing,

I want to be an angel, a chosen, a devil, but I am just a creature that ever wants what it wont get.


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« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2004, 06:14:50 pm »
Due to popular critizism, I have constructed a new Ceatac\'e. This one has a larger brain. The speeds of over 300 MPH demand a large brain for the computations made concerning the brain and objects in it\'s path. The Ceatac\'e in the wild is very hostile, being able to capture it demands a very high level mage with a charm technique. After capture the scalp is removed (again :D) and an enchanted glass globe is fitted around the brain. A glyph sits atop the globe feeding magical influence to the brain making it less hostile and more in the control of the jockey. The Jockey controls the Ceatac\'e through vocal commands and hand movement on the glyph.


Here is a picture, along with a close up of the brain (showing all the instruments the bird uses for navigation), a close up of the glyph feeding energy to the brain, and a couple of silhouettes showing rider size comparison and proper riding technique.

I\'m back.... Perhaps in black.

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« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2004, 07:47:48 pm »
Well, done. It\'s much better. It also fits better in PS.
I want to be a flame, to crumble to ash, but never ever burnt.

I want to rise higher, rise up to the heavens, but sink, just sink down deeper and deeper into nothing,

I want to be an angel, a chosen, a devil, but I am just a creature that ever wants what it wont get.


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« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2004, 03:07:00 am »
The new ceatece is not so bad, I rather like the idea of large, ugly, magically controlled birds.  ;)
Warning: Prone to common sense.


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« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2004, 03:47:04 am »
Okay, first and foremost... I do not want this creature in PS, ever! I do not like it at all.
i was merely stating that it can be implemented without being a drastic change to the setting.

Seytra, I did not intend that comment for you. I have never read so many posts by one person who always gives a reason to his opinions. Added to that is the fact that they are always well thought out and reasoned. I highly enjoy reading your thoughts on a given topic.

However, I do not see the difference with our points, one impossibility is no different to another. A \"race\" in fantasy is the same as an \"alien\" in science fiction. There is no evidence they are real, or will ever be possible. This is not like real life, we have many races, but they are all human. The word \"race\" in PS is inaccurate except for Xacha and Ylian as Humans, and Dermorian and Nolthrir as Elves. Otherwise, they are different species, not races, as they are not breeds of the same species. The Kran are by no means a race, evolution does not apply to them, Talad created them.

I don\'t recall ever saying that it wasn\'t inhumane and cruel. But then, the words Scientist and Doctor were synonomous with butcher until late 18/ early 19C. Ever hear of a frontal labotomy? Lack of ethics fits perfectly with medieval. Leeches anyone?

I play a neutral character, and wouldn\'t care about these creatures either way.

snow_RAven, despite the lack of eloquence, was partially right. Fantasy can not be explained by  science, nor can Science Fiction but that is another story.

As for Arcane\'s \'critique\'... the only mispelled word that was obviously not a typo was \'phantasy\' which I assume he knows is meant to have \'F\'. Why does he need a Thesaurus? I see no words he used that would have made his argument better if he used a synonym.

Danny, I still destest this creature... one point... if magical manipluation is at play, why is the expossed brain necessary? Wouldn\'t a magical headbrace serve just as well.
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« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2004, 04:06:18 am »
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Danny, I still destest this creature... one point... if magical manipluation is at play, why is the expossed brain necessary? Wouldn\'t a magical headbrace serve just as well.

So there is more magical influence and less interference with the cranium, and still having access to the glyph for movements. Also it just gives the Ceatac\'e character :D

I\'m back.... Perhaps in black.

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« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2004, 09:27:25 pm »
I think your second one is great and fits in much better than the first.  It even looks more friendly :)

(Although still not very pretty ;) )

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« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2004, 02:21:52 pm »
Wow, I really have to admire the ammount of work you have put in that... thing, I say go for it. If you can model it and texture it it\'s in I mean, what could make Planeshift more uniqe, I agree perhaps a couple changes but yeah I think they could Be an Monster NPC or something running around the desert.

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« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2004, 04:59:19 pm »
Well I personally don\'t want a big dodo bird with it\'s brains exposed running around the world but hey if it makes you happy spend your time on it.

Question though did I read right, speeds over 300mph? If that was even possible, which I don\'t see how it could be, how would a rider even be able to hold on o much less handle the elements that they would be exposed to at those speeds? Do you have any clue just how fast that is?

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« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2004, 03:52:26 am »
Yes, the 300 MPH will add additional problems. At this speed, it will, regardless of it\'s brain\'s computation speed, not be able to maneuver around objects, except in a desert environment or in vast plains. Otherwise, it\'ll just have to slow down to less than 30 MPH in almost any area, even if being used on paths, since they aren\'t vast (especially not in medieval times) and there will always be obstacles that are hidden or that \"jump\" onto the \"path\".

Due to the mass associated with their size, they\'ll not be able to break or move around anything, just like a car (imagine driving a racing car through a pedestrian precinct). Therefore, it\'s brain doesn\'t need to be any faster than usual (the body wouldn\'t be able to follow it\'s directions anyway). I don\'t know how fast the fastest animal can go, but I\'d be surprised if it were more than 80 MPH.
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Seytra, I did not intend that comment for you. I have never read so many posts by one person who always gives a reason to his opinions. Added to that is the fact that they are always well thought out and reasoned. I highly enjoy reading your thoughts on a given topic.

Don\'t say things like that, it makes me blush. (thanks anyway!) :)
However, I\'m really not that special. It is just my opinion that giving reasons to one\'s statements and opinions is a must, since others need to be able to see where one is coming from.
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However, I do not see the difference with our points, one impossibility is no different to another. A \"race\" in fantasy is the same as an \"alien\" in science fiction. There is no evidence they are real, or will ever be possible. This is not like real life, we have many races, but they are all human.

That isn\'t my point, however. My point was that if you cannot incorporate an impossibility into the finished world (thus making it possible). If you do, you actually alter the world, on a much greater scale than just some additional creature being in it(which would be only a minor change). If you declare something possible (which you do when adding something that would be impossible IRL and with the current game world), this will have effect on everything else in the game world. It\'s like adding magic to RL.
If you are in the process of creating the world, that\'s fine, but if you are merely populating an existing (i.e., already designed world like PS), it\'s not fine, as it would
- inevitably change the world and thus
- require the world-invention process to be redone, at least partially and thus
- makes much of the work that has been done based on the existing concept useless.
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The word \"race\" in PS is inaccurate except for Xacha and Ylian as Humans, and Dermorian and Nolthrir as Elves. Otherwise, they are different species, not races, as they are not breeds of the same species. The Kran are by no means a race, evolution does not apply to them, Talad created them.

Yes and no. There are some that sound very possible to me because they really have only minor differences to humans (elves and dwarfs), and also the Enkis would be possible if cats would have evolved the way apes did. The Klyros are a bit tricky but they also might be feasible. There is no doubt that the Kran are based on the highly theoretical assumption that silicon might be able to act as replacement for carbon in life.
And yes, it is my impression that the term \"race\" is commonly misused to refer to what in fact are species. This may be due to the problem that most of the time, both are grouped together in one section. This section should IMO be called \"race/species selection\" to be scientifically correct.
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Lack of ethics fits perfectly with medieval. Leeches anyone?

The application of leeches is lacking ethics? I don\'t know much about it, but I don\'t see a problem?
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Danny, I still destest this creature... one point... if magical manipluation is at play, why is the expossed brain necessary? Wouldn\'t a magical headbrace serve just as well.

The magic approach seems acceptable. One can explain the requirement for the globe by the fact that this enchantment is supposed to be permanent / long-duration, as opposed to the usual mind control spells (which are short-duration). Therefore, you\'d need very very much magical energy to have these spells las that long, which is why you
- reduce distance to an absolute minimum (i.e., touch)
- remove any obstacles (like skull) and maybe even have the globe itself distribute the magic flow better
thereby reducing the amoutn of magical energy required.

So here we see a good example of one altered property of the world affecting things by making impossible things possible: while I couldn\'t accept the poking controller, I have to accept the magical controller.

So if you can resolve the speed vs. mass problem (no, magic is not the way to go this time :P ), I, as much as I hate to say it, see no problems with this thing being added to PS.

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« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2004, 01:56:20 pm »
Hmm, i may have got something wrong here, but as i understood planeshift, and i say, i might be wrong, but anyway.

I got the impresson, that the world under construction now is only one of the Plane\'s in Planeshift, and that settings will change from plane to plane.

if this is right, why couldent such technology exist in a difrent plane?

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« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2004, 04:37:06 pm »
Fastest land animal is a Cheetah with top speeds of roughly 70mph, after that it is a Pronghorn Antelope with top speeds of 61mph. So yeah I would say 300mph is a little bit of a jump.