Planeshift Council

[Annah]

Well thought Aendar
 Things on the list that could be offered: money, items, places to stay, a new position in the society etc.
 And good to have you on this side

 PS - Everyone is welcome to post what they think is good to be given to the new potential members. Of course, they have to benefit to join.
 Some new ideas, came up in my mind too. I will write them down together with the full info tomorrow.
 Now ... good night!

[DepthBlade]

Originally posted by AendarCallenlasse
I haven\'t and will not read through all the posts, too lazy.  Keep that in mind if I post something already stated.

I for one think the idea of a council is a good idea.  I believe it adds to the RP atmosphere of the guild.  However there should be a reason beyond democracy/diplomacy to join it.  Take the UN for example, since it\'s been stated as an example, they can place embargos or they can send in peacekeeping forces.

Few people will join something if it doesn\'t offer them something.  There should be an advantage alluring enough that people will willingly join and there should be penalties that bind the council together.  What\'s to stop someone from going against a council decision.

No its not so much wanting something from it, and yes there is no way to enforce it sticking together and I doubt it will stay active. The fact of the matter is if I joined this council and as many know my guild\'s goals are already in place and never ending. So if say this council decides DB\'s guild shouldn\'t be able to do this to this guild. We must not allow that to happen. (It will turn into Star Wars: Episode I, so fast and I will be the federation army. Except I won\'t have all them people but I also won\'t flip on my back and die either.) Really just seems pointless for my Chaotic Good guild to join such a thing.

[Annah]

No Depth, it won\'t be pointless.
 Err, just ... just wait until tomorrow when I will fully explain how the system will work. Because most of you kinda didn\'t understand anything. You just think it\'s a \"big\" guild that controls everything 0.o And that IS  wrong.

[Icefalcon]

I am skeptical about this whole thing as well. For TMG, we shouldn\'t have Depth\'s problem. But I don\'t know how this will work. I guess Ill wait for Annahs big thread, most likely I will give it a shot.

[Efflixi Aduro]

Originally posted by AendarCallenlasse
I haven\'t and will not read through all the posts, too lazy.  Keep that in mind if I post something already stated.

I for one think the idea of a council is a good idea.  I believe it adds to the RP atmosphere of the guild.  However there should be a reason beyond democracy/diplomacy to join it.  Take the UN for example, since it\'s been stated as an example, they can place embargos or they can send in peacekeeping forces.

Few people will join something if it doesn\'t offer them something.  There should be an advantage alluring enough that people will willingly join and there should be penalties that bind the council together.  What\'s to stop someone from going against a council decision.

Many guilds would disagree on when to send in these \"forces\". Especially when guilds will range from lawfull good to chaotic evil

[Kiern]

I\'m torn, as I said in Annah\'s previous post(s), it would be a good idea if it were to be worked out correctly.  So, I think before anyone makes a definite decision right now they should wait until Annah get\'s everything worked out and posted.  

But as Aendar said, what benefits would guilds get, I can see some small guilds getting something from it, but well established self-dependent guilds?  I don\'t see OI having much use for a council...I\'ll wait and see.

[Efflixi Aduro]

I agree it could be a great thing if made right.  There are many things that need to be worked out though.

[Trianas]

yes i have understood that from the start , even though my guild has dibanded i am starting another though i cannot revile anything yet

[Adeli]

I\'m not going to read all of this, because I don\'t care, and there is a lot to it.
You are a gathering of self-important guild leaders who think they get a say outside of their guilds.
This organisation is pointless.

How do you determine what guilds are \"important\".
Seems conceited to say your own guild is \"important\" to other people, but that\'s just my opinion.

If this council is ever realised, I hope it falls to ruin.
One council is enough in my opinion, and the Octarchs are that very council.

It\'s amusing to see how highly you think of yourselves as leaders.
The last thing we need is bunch of \'elitists\' telling everyone what to do.

Edit: This may be a slight flame admittedly... but it is my opinion... censor it if you really have to Aendar, but I really don\'t like this idea.
Any disrepect is intended for your characters, not your persons. So don\'t take this personally OOC.

[Kiern]

Adeli, you really need to read before making judgements like this...that is definately not the point of this whole thing, and Annah sent an invitation to the active guilds (active as in active within community).  Not the \"best\".

[Adeli]

So people being busy for a little while means that they are not \"important\"?
Using that very word...
\"important\"
Denotes you feel you are better than someone, if not everyone. This in turn, proclaims you as an elitist. My judgement was based on the \"council member\'s\" own terminology.
Thus it was well grounded.
If you all said active, fine, I still wouldn\'t like it... but my judgement would be different. Instead they say \"important\", this is arrogant.

Just curious, did Armeen get an invitation? If so, did he accept?

I approve of Tybalt\'s attitude.

[Kiern]

Originally posted by Adeli
\"important\"
Denotes you feel you are better than someone, if not everyone. This in turn, proclaims you as an elitist.
Thus it was well grounded.

No, I can easily say that the developers are more important in the development of Planeshift then you are...and in no way am I saying that they are better then you, or anyone (though they very well could be, but that\'s not the point).  It works the same way, a guild who is active within the community and shapes the way things are around here, is important.  Not that they are better then the guild that only posts on their boards and does not interact with everyone else.

If you\'re going to bitch about little things, you should at least know what\'s going on, and obviously since you got the whole concept behind the council wrong in the first place, you do not.

[Crj]

In short: This idea must and will fail.

There have been pleanty of attempts to build things like this. All these cases have something in common - Annah and failure. You should have noticed by now that not everyone likes this idea. If all \"important\"guilds wont join this, it just cant work. A player formed council and player made rules may be \"fun\" for the councilors, not mortal players.
I fail to see the point of this council. What will it do? Rule n00b guilds? Stop people form doing \"bad\" things? Make rules everyone should live after? This is realy crappy in my opinion. An interesting fantasy world is a dynamic world with fuss in it. And let me say - war is a fun thing(not in RL of course).
Another thing i fail to see is how this council will affect things. Lets say Cabal is spreading pain and suffer over the land... what will the council do? Tell them not to do these evil things? Will they obey? I think not.
If you  sent your Councils army to kill them the council would turn into a simple alliance of good.

P.S. Sorry for grammer and spelling, but im not going to correct that.

[druke]

as CRJ stated the seems to be a council for the greater good, which is kinda off for a evil roleplayers, AO is currently discussing this in our forums though, so dont take my opinoin as our voice

[Moogie]

I\'ve seen people come up with this same idea in so many different game communities... they all talk about it enthusiastically like they\'re the first to ever think up such a great idea shame it never, ever lasts.

It\'s a good idea, don\'t get me wrong... but taking part in this will be a waste of your time in the end, trust me.