.: THE COUNCIL :.

[Joeyguy]

I don\'t want order, I don\'t want equal representation, and I don\'t want harmony. I like it when guilds argue with each other. I like that more powerful guilds can (or will be able to) push around smaller ones. Besides, as I said, it will simply become a nuscience to the guilds it bosses around. Any \"order\" is a system of control. Ever heard of tyranny of the majority? There\'s a perfect example here in America not a month ago.

[Bardialus]

And thats the whole reason why people who think that just becasue they can hold more power shouldnt be allowed to have anything to do with power.

Its misrepresenations like that which allow small minded individuals to control the flow of things.  it doesnt allow the smaller minorities to flourish.  If thats what you want then you are welcome to wallow in your own pit of self despair by yourself.  

Ego\'s have no place within organisations

[Bardialus]

Also if you dont want order or harmony then you really shouldnt be making comments about what should be done and how things should be implemented.  Its very shallow to want just what you want out of the scope of things.  And future guilds and players will not be able to progress in their understanding and enjoyment of PS!!

Furthermore the council acts as mediators between the rifts of guilds.  Thats the whole point of selecting people to join, they are supposed to be the voices of people that elects them or allows them to be leaders of guilds.  

Its the sign of authority and trust that we are given.  If we abuse that by \'pushing\' smaller guilds around then surely we are not protecting those concepts that Planeshift tries to uphold.  

You do know the meaning of MMORPG, do you not?

If we argue all the time then nothing is achieved.

[Joeyguy]

No, I\'m not saying the Council\'s going to punish smaller guilds. I\'m saying it will very likely punish alrger ones. I forsee a future of ill-informed, knee-jerk reactions to the smallest, stupid issues, because that\'s what always happens in Planeshift.

I\'m confident that guilds can solve their own problems without the help of an organization.

Also if you dont want order or harmony then you really shouldnt be making comments about what should be done and how things should be implemented. Its very shallow to want just what you want out of the scope of things. And future guilds and players will not be able to progress in their understanding and enjoyment of PS!!

Could you explain what this is supposed to mean? It really doesn\'t seem to carry any sort of point.

[Kiern]

Originally posted by Joeyguy
Planeshift players have proved time and again that they react way too strongly to small things.

Like perhaps, arguing about something even though exactly what it does hasn\'t been worked out yet?  Assumptions are rarely good.

[Joeyguy]

Originally posted by Annah
JoeyGuy man, how\'re ya?! Been a while since we\'ve last talked

I\'m OK. I\'ve had a lot of real-life business lately, but that\'s (hopefully) going to be over in a week or so.

Originally posted by KiernLike perhaps, arguing about something even though exactly what it does hasn\'t been worked out yet? Assumptions are rarely good.

No, because I\'m right. But I see I\'m not really getting anywhere with this; if you all like the idea, go with it. I just thought I\'d let you know how I feel.

[Hatchnet]

Originally posted by Joeyguy
No, because I\'m right. But I see I\'m not really getting anywhere with this; if you all like the idea, go with it. I just thought I\'d let you know how I feel.

So your atomaticly right? The only time I dont like when some one argues is when people like you use the same argument over and over again nomatter how manny holes get punched in it because you belive that you are right.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Bardialus
You do know the meaning of MMORPG, do you not?

Giving a world of specific theme (medieval in this case), where people can roleplay living in it?

Or in PS case put \"roleplay their characters\" instead of \"roleplay living in it\".  There\'s just too many \"funny\" ideas from the players around here.
Like building UN in fantasy/medieval theme for example.
Now if someone would actually feel the world, maybe he would notice that there\'s one small reason why they didn\'t make UN in XV century...
People back then didn\'t think about global peace, but power!
But nevermind that. Let\'s look at the PS world:
Someone came up with idea of \"Guilds Council\". What does it mean? Less power and possibilities for larger guilds. They can\'t push around others anymore.
But would larger guilds want that - my assumption - no.
And they wouldn\'t have to just look at the growing idea. They would strike it down... with ease. All that has to be done is to sign agreement and thanks to the influences and money, force the government to delegalise the council. Done.

It\'s just that putting modern culture into medieval setting always seemed silly to me...

- Swords

[Joeyguy]

Originally posted by Hatchnet
So your atomaticly right? The only time I dont like when some one argues is when people like you use the same argument over and over again nomatter how manny holes get punched in it because you belive that you are right.

I know I\'m right. But as I said, I know I\'m not getting anywhere with this. I\'m not trying to argue. I made my points, defended points, and realized that I wasn\'t getting anything done. Besides, as Kiern said, we know very little about this organization and exactly what it\'ll do. You know the basics of why I oppose this; anything else will have to wait.

[Kiern]

Originally posted by Draklar
Like building UN in fantasy/medieval theme for example.

It\'s just that putting modern culture into medieval setting always seemed silly to me...

You actually mean to say, that you do not believe that organizations such as these did not exist in \"medieval times\"? :rolleyes:

So, by this assumption, we would have to think Annah was thinking one day \"What organizations can I model this after?  Oh, maybe I\'ll go with the one that didn\'t work\".

It\'s not an original idea, and the circumstances are extremely different.

It is happier times the less I read of these kinds of things.

[Hatchnet]

Have any of you people who say this knid of thing didn\'t exist in meieval and premedieval times ever heard of the citystate system of ancient Greece.

[Annah]

Like building UN in fantasy/medieval theme for example.

 You know, it\'s sad to think like that. How can you say organizations like these didn\'t exist in medieval times? Hatchnet gave a very good example.
 Do you think because you\'re living now, today  everything is invented? Sorry to say, but we\'re just evolving (evolving not being the right word, because some are just shaped for the benefits of some people/factions) things created thousands of years ago, or we\'re just re-discovering others.

[Sangwa]

Relax people. You can\'t change the fact that this Council is being created. If you don\'t agree to this idea try to sabotage it .
Argueing about disliking/liking this idea serves no purpose. Instead you should get your heads thinking about what you are going to do about it ^^.
Trying new stuff is always a good experience.

[Annah]

err yes true
 Though, it will sure be fun seeing how others will try to sabotage it. ^^

[lynx_lupo]

I hope so! Anything more concrete ready yet?