.: THE COUNCIL :.

[Draklar]

...Was that double negation on purpose, Kiern?
Because it doesn\'t make sense that way

Originally posted by Hatchnet
Have any of you people who say this knid of thing didn\'t exist in meieval and premedieval times ever heard of the citystate system of ancient Greece.

1) Not really same thing.
2) Ancient Greece wasn\'t exactly in middle ages... how is this for \"people who say this knid of thing didn\'t exist in meieval\"?  
3) Greek culture was way different than medieval culture... they wanted peace between the states... again, that\'s my point.

The only \"councils\" made in middle ages were just some kind of alliances between strongest nations to make their power even bigger.
Just think what would happen if they made global council:
Germany in order to carry on conquering of \"pagan\" nations, needs to stop the council. They send messege to pope. Pope announces that he\'ll place curse on anyone who agrees to form the council. Or something like that. That\'s why I think things like that didn\'t exist in medieval times...

And no replies to the other part of my post? What a surprise :rolleyes:

- Swords

[Kiern]

It has been answered, sorry no one gives it to you directly.

Originally posted by Draklar
...Was that double negation on purpose, Kiern?
Because it doesn\'t make sense that way

...weren\'t you supposed to leave?  It begs the question as to why the hell you still post just for the sake of arguing.

It makes perfect sense, whether or not it is correct way to phrase things.

[Draklar]

It has? Yes, I would expect answering my in-game-guilds-part-of-post by mentioning in game guilds or something, not real life nations

Originally posted by Kiern
It makes perfect sense, whether or not it is correct way to phrase things.

oh, ok.
Then my answer is:
By saying that such organizations didn\'t exist in medieval times, I didn\'t mean to say that I believe such organizations existed in medieval times :rolleyes:

- Swords

[Hatchnet]

Originally posted by Draklar
...Was that double negation on purpose, Kiern?
Because it doesn\'t make sense that way

Originally posted by Hatchnet
Have any of you people who say this knid of thing didn\'t exist in meieval and premedieval times ever heard of the citystate system of ancient Greece.

1) Not really same thing.
2) Ancient Greece wasn\'t exactly in middle ages... how is this for \"people who say this knid of thing didn\'t exist in meieval\"?  
3) Greek culture was way different than medieval culture... they wanted peace between the states... again, that\'s my point.

The only \"councils\" made in middle ages were just some kind of alliances between strongest nations to make their power even bigger.
Just think what would happen if they made global council:
Germany in order to carry on conquering of \"pagan\" nations, needs to stop the council. They send messege to pope. Pope announces that he\'ll place curse on anyone who agrees to form the council. Or something like that. That\'s why I think things like that didn\'t exist in medieval times...

And no replies to the other part of my post? What a surprise :rolleyes:

- Swords

Ok how about this Germany or it\'s proper name at the time The Holy Roman Empire was one of these so called council orginizations. the rulling princes actualy held more power than the Emperer whom they actualy chose. If your going to use history as an argument atleast do it right.

[DepthBlade]

This whole introduction to the new \"Council\" has gone from pointless to plain annoying. All that can be said on the matter has been said..now this is just turning into bickering (Usually I would gladly take part in some arguements but this is dipping into stupid.) So why not just let it go, let it be created  because there is nothing stopping it

So anyways back onto the order of things are you going to list who has openly accepted invitations to this council or will that be kept secret?

[fken]

ADVERTISING : you wanna see guild wars ? Absolutly no problem just come to the council and you\'ll see !

Congratulation : this council really looks like french parlement... (deputy chamber). That\'s not a joke... I would prefer if it was one... but whereever you go politicals seem to be really dumb, always trying to protect their party interests without thinking about what\'s really important so please all don\'t forget of what you are speaking about : this is a council not a guild war ! Forget your guild interrest !

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Hatchnet
The Holy Roman Empire

Again, you\'re talking about inside council. That\'s not the same thing -_-

- Swords

[snow_RAveN]

the role of a council would be more like The United nations, than that of a goverment imo.

[Annah]

So anyways back onto the order of things are you going to list who has openly accepted invitations to this council or will that be kept secret?

 Nah, nothing secret. The list will be made public when the web site and/or the forums will be up. And don\'t tell me until now you didn\'t figure at least some of the guilds that will be in it

[Bardialus]

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Just think what would happen if they made global council:
Germany in order to carry on conquering of \"pagan\" nations, needs to stop the council. : hatchnet.

The germans were \'pagans\' for one.  thats why ancient rome tried to conquer them.  As for the council states of ancient greece, they were originally designed to give the people that were elected a say in how the society at the time was run.  hence the title \'Senate\'

Im sure youve all of this title in some way or another.  

Sangwa was right there is no point in going on and on and on about the same points.  This resolves nothing and just causes the important things to be fogotten due to dealing with petty arguments.

We dont need to be like the UN.  this is Planeshift people, isnt it time we started to apply our thoughts into making this council a Planeshift council rather than squabbling about things in real life?

We need to hold a discussion as to what we are going to stand for.  And what power we are going to weild as council members.

[Icefalcon]

One rule that will not be tolerated by me would be that the Council comes before the Guild. If it will be like the UN, where it is an alliance of guilds, you probably won\'t see me around too much longer. We have no allies or enemies, and we will not become part of an alliance. This is supposed to be economic, not military.

[Bardialus]

I completely agree and support you Icefalcon, there should not be a pressured feeling within the council that the council must come first.

How are supposed to be able to become astute if we cannot or will not focus our attentions to our own guilds.

I do not believe that anger or force can influence any outcome for the positive.  If people are pressured into making a decision then they often feel resentment towards those who force them.

It is our advice that we are supposed to give, not our self views.  

By remaining objective towards issues we can solve any problem that arises!

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Bardialus
The germans were \'pagans\' for one.  thats why ancient rome tried to conquer them.

bleh, again, talking about middle ages
fall of ancient rome = beginning of middle ages
Germans were then conquering pagan nations.

On different topic, why won\'t you go into drama, Annah?
No, really, why waste the creativeness on foolish removal of darkness from the dark ages, when you could put depth into world by organizing writing of poems, dramas, stories of brave heroes, maybe even forbidden books?
Unlike dismissing of closed-mindness and frequent fights, that wouldn\'t ruin the medieval atmosphere...

- Swords

[Annah]

Actually, I did start to write a book. Sadly, I didn\'t have enough time for it, so I left it behind.
 \"darkness from the dark ages\" ... There wasn\'t any darkness  in the dark  ages. It\'s just my point of view, like you have yours too ^^
 And don\'t forget, we\'re in a game, so drama is welcome

[Bardialus]

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No, really, why waste the creativeness on foolish removal of darkness from the dark ages, when you could put depth into world by organizing writing of poems, dramas, stories of brave heroes, maybe even forbidden books? Draklar

I already do those things, both in real life and in Planeshift.

Drama is one of the worlds best kept secret weapons.  Think about the storytellers of old and new literature.  When people like the ideas in books they tend to agree with the mind set of the author.  Either that or like the things they right about.

And I wasnt talking about the middle ages, I ws trying to help clarify a point of fact.  It depends on what side of religion you were on in that time.  If you stood for things that went against the core beleif system of any race or culture at that time in the world, then you were classed as a \'Pagan\'.  

Pagan : a person who holds religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions.

Again its a case of the stronger bullying the weak.  

But I digress from the point in Planeshift the guild of Ovates will hopefully be given room to grow and mature into a guild that concentrates on all the
\'No, really, why waste the creativeness on foolish removal of darkness from the dark ages, when you could put depth into world by organizing writing of poems, dramas, stories of brave heroes, maybe even forbidden books?\'