newb beats expert in battle?!!

[Ecolem]

I still stand by the rule that everyone should have an equal chance. :]

ok maybe 5 vs 100 was a bit too vast but other people who get the best things in the game and have the best skills and are imposable to beat....their (i hope) better be some good system that alows even the worst of RPG player to beat him.

[Adeli]

If they are \"imposable\" (impossible) to beat, then why try?
If they have a higher skill they have more experience, they are a better fighter. Some new person being able to fight well FPS style has no right to even think they can win. Go back in time, fight Bruce Lee with no martial arts knowledge... see who wins.
There is not, and should not be any system to make your job easier. Practise makes perfect as they say.
If you challenge and lose... big deal.

[Holy Avenger]

if any of yall have played Project entropia they have a very nice combat system we should models our\'s from there\'s

[Cirque]

Originally posted by Monketh

Eg. lvl 100 asks lvl 5 for a battle...long story short the newb wins because he happened to hit with his sword 100 times(maybe with mouse aim system) and expert only 30.

No computer is created equal.  No internet connection is exactly the same.

No.  This creates less justice than it eliminates.
And what about those dweebs who have nothing better to do than play FPS\'s all day?   :rolleyes:

I think you mean this creates less justice than it produces or a word to that effect.

As opposed to a dweeb that sits around playing RPGs all day. *Wastes two throws to conduct roll eyes movement but fails so I just flip him the bird*

Originally posted by Adeli
If they are \"imposable\" (impossible) to beat, then why try?
If they have a higher skill they have more experience, they are a better fighter. Some new person being able to fight well FPS style has no right to even think they can win. Go back in time, fight Bruce Lee with no martial arts knowledge... see who wins.
There is not, and should not be any system to make your job easier. Practise makes perfect as they say.
If you challenge and lose... big deal.

I hope your correction of his spelling was for his benefit.

[Adeli]

Well yes, and no.
I did it for the mutual benefit of everyone.
Imposable is a different word in the english language, for those who do not have a fine grasp on the language, it may have caused confusion. The meaning may have been obvious, but, you never know with some people.
It was also partly for amusement, it seemed somewhat amusing to have a spelling mistake highlighted with an underline.
I am entitled to correct anyone\'s error, as they are mine.

[Monketh]

Originally posted by Cirque
As opposed to a dweeb that sits around playing RPGs all day. *Wastes two throws to conduct roll eyes movement*

Well, would you like to beaten by some dork just because he can click and turn \'round faster?
FPS dweebs are \"experienced\" in that.

I\'d rather be beaten by an RPG dweeb who spends all day bashing monsters, because it would be difficult for me to improve my clicking speed, but not my monsta\' bashin\'.

[Adeli]

Hmm, insulting a person due to their game preference seems the height of stupidity to me.
You say that being skilled at something makes them a dweeb? Or that they do it continuously, that\'s foolish.
I am quite good at First Person Shooters, yet I hardly play them. I spend most of my gaming time on one of the many Final Fantasies.

Do you know what a \"dork\" is?
Hardly forum appropriate terminology.

[WiseKran]

i tend to agree with Monketh whole heartedly,  That is what makes us RPG fans, that is what makes RPG\'s the best type of games(notice my biased attitude, sry bout it )

i really hate FPS games, because even if you play for a year, the game is still the same as when you first started, there is no reward for winning, or deafeating your opponent, except for maybe a \"(ns) nice shot\".    RPG\'s just get better and better      that is what seperates FPS from RPG, Mice from Men!

All with me who will take up your swords and vanquish the counter strike junkies say AYE!

Nothing against you Adeli and nothing personnaly against FPS fan\'s, i just dont see it their way, they just seem pointless

[DepthBlade]

Originally posted by Xordan
Yeah, I think that if it were possible to ambush, then sure. But as you have to challenge people, there\'s no way in hell some battle hardened expert is going to lose to a newbie. Compare it to playing a sport like tennis. Someone who\'s been playing for 10 years against someone who\'s just started is going to win easily.

Well thats the thing a challenge between guilds or between characters should be ongoing until A: One of them is defeated or B: Until another forefits. You shouldn\'t have to be beside one another to challenge, that way it will give you chances to make strategies on how your going to fight and if your going to need to ambush.  I am tired of all the linear things we need something alittle different brought to the tabel

Also stop trying to seperate RPG from FPS because the fighting is somewhat simular. FPS does take somewhat of skill in quick movements and reactions, and RPG\'s prove to be the same way but with different fighting. Its all about technique.

[Seytra]

I also like FPS games, just as I like RPG games. They serve completely different purposes to me. An FPS is for quick action, informal fun, whereas an RPG is for long-term dedication.

They are totally different and therefore can\'t be compared. The idea of having FPS-style combat in RPG environments therefore only appeals to me by it\'s prospect of sniping, but this isn\'t something that I would sacrifice the char-player-independance (aka clickspeed-doesn\'t-matter-property) for. Therefore, the only way would be to simply be able to select the target selection mode from \"conventional\" to \"FPS style\", which would essentially only be a different camera mode (though with some minor differences).
An important benefit would, however, be the option to shoot / cast spells through windows and holes as you can in any FPS but can\'t in any RPG.

[Ecolem]

Mate we come from the same country so I know :rolleyes: ...simply a typo

[Adeli]

It\'s more than that, we come from the same city.
I was only having some harmless fun, no need to take offence, which you don\'t seem to have, so everything is peachy!
FPS games are not designed for replayability, though with some it is nice to find new ways to do things, such as Jedi Academy, choosing different paths/approaches. Also sometimes it\'s fun to play mindless killing games, plus if you like to be scared, Doom 3 is good to play, late at night, with no lights and surround sound.
I am a true RPG fan, so no offence was taken.

[Ecolem]

Ye dw i can take offence realy well(school :rolleyes: )
and no offence taken

But the fact is guys that i mean the guys who are the best if the best...well we need a hero eventually so there will be a new person at the top.

And it should be that no matter what class you are, you can beat them

[Cirque]

Originally posted by Adeli
Well yes, and no.
I did it for the mutual benefit of everyone.
Imposable is a different word in the english language, for those who do not have a fine grasp on the language, it may have caused confusion. The meaning may have been obvious, but, you never know with some people.
It was also partly for amusement, it seemed somewhat amusing to have a spelling mistake highlighted with an underline.
I am entitled to correct anyone\'s error, as they are mine.

That reasoning is not really sufficient as far as im concerned but no offence was taken by the person in question and I cant be bothered getting the pistons firing to formulate a half decent response.

[Leperscar]

i would think clicking to fight is not fun but i would only give this game a better rating to my friends if i see bows being reloaded not like a machine gun fire rate and when u get ready to fire you can use ur mouse to aim but u have a 50/50 chance of hitting u will not always hit directly but the higher ur skill at it is the more chance of hitting ur target where u fired for example if u had  0 skill at the bow and u aimed for a head shot u would miss completly but if u had 30 skill and u got lucky u might miss by inches or cm