Good vs. EVIL

[Efflixi Aduro]

Ok first off, Depth\'s guild is probably the strongest and stuff good guild right now.  His guild looks like the only one that currently stands a chance against the cabal or IT.  A guild that fights fo good should fight for ALL good, which means destroying all evil.

Many evil guilds like the cabal just do what they want, and hey, who cares its their guild and their members chose to join. So why bother them unless they bother you.  The other side of evil you are forgetting is lawful evil.  Like The Dark Empire and, yes, Helmora Velsha.  These guilds are less likely to destroy themselvs because their goal isnt complete chaos.

You are just saying that these guilds will fall apart...because.
The Cabal has been around over a yar so if it planned on eating its self it would have done it by now, also, Rebirth has a strong leader and I thins THIS time depth wont let the guild go.

[Icefalcon]

Originally posted by Efflixi Aduro
Ok first off, Depth\'s guild is probably the strongest and stuff good guild right now.  His guild looks like the only one that currently stands a chance against the cabal or IT.  

I don\'t think that is fair since the only way we can measure strength right now is by numbers, and there are alot of guilds who have more members than Rebirth.

[DepthBlade]

Wow thanks for that compliment

Ice- Strength is not in numbers and hopefully the smaller guilds and not just the GOOD stronger ones can prove this fact. I think he meant I have the only good guild holding up its goals actively taking part. *Wonders where the others are to aid Rebirth..oh thats right they are just \"Good\" for the free cookies )

OOC: Chestar I don\'t hate anyone in Cabal, my character DepthBlade does, remeber its all \"Character\"..

[Icefalcon]

Originally posted by DepthBlade
Ice- Strength is not in numbers and hopefully the smaller guilds and not just the GOOD stronger ones can prove this fact. I think he meant I have the only good guild holding up its goals actively taking part.

No insult intended, but you really can\'t judge a guilds strength right now except by its numbers. How can you prove your strength, argue each other to death?

As far as activity, yes, you would be the most active, but that still doesn\'t reflect strength.

[Efflixi Aduro]

Actually, yes, his guild is very active but I was mainly looking at the good guilds like mirth and some others.  They mostly are peace keepers or somthing. None of them actually look like they can put up a fight.

EDIT
And I only pointed out Rebirth because he said it was going to fall apart since it\'s trying to kill ALL evil. Its not like if he spoke about Mirth I would start defending a guild not even spoken about in the thread.  I just defended the weak and helpless

[DepthBlade]

Your right, at this point numbers are the only thing seperating strengths but does right now matter? Hey FESFES  don\'t push your luck still going to burn

[snow_RAveN]

Originally posted by Merdarion
The Cabal will consume themselves, just for fun .

For your information ! i do not derive pleasure form eating any my fellow cabalis ! Do you have any idea how long has it been since Savion has taken a bath ! And Satyrulak has mushrooms growing out of his arm pits ! it\'ll spoil the stock ! And dont get me started on Xordan j/k

i feel sad for the mods haveing to put up with so many threads like this.


Anyway we\'r \"underground\" now so you never read this post !

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Efflixi Aduro
A guild that fights fo good should fight for ALL good, which means destroying all evil.

Could you give the logic you used to go with that conclusion?
And then explain how come nature, which consists of good and evil, is in constant harmony, and not chaos (which would be the reason of fight between the two).
Because to me it pretty much shows that they complete each other.

Just like Rebirth, which wants to make evil suffer to make others happy, consists of both evil and good. Even here evil and good complete each other.

Realy, I\'d like to know what made you say that.

btw: Fighting evil by killing evil people is a paradox...

- Swords

[Hatchnet]

Draklar nature does not contain either good or evil it contains balance which is the harmony of good an evil.
Every time that evil becomes to powerful good rises up to destroy it and every time good triumps over evil a new evil will arise to destroy it.


(Yes I realise that does not make to much sense at first but if you stop and take the time to think about it you will see what I mean)

[Efflixi Aduro]

No, nature is nature.  The thing that makes good and evil is humans (or enki, stone breakr, ect.). Both in my opinion are bad becase they both have selfish goals and stuff. I dont know.. its hard to explain. Lets put is this way, humanity is corrupt selfish ect. Not good or evil. Just Corrupted

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Hatchnet
(Yes I realise that does not make to much sense at first but if you stop and take the time to think about it you will see what I mean)

heh... I stopped and went through many world views in the last few months. And after all the reading, all the observations, all the thinking I came to conclusion that my view that good is fighting evil is just bs (yes, I used to think that they fight each other). Like NewPie said, fight between chaos and law is much more interresting although, again, they seem to be useless without the other factor.

Draklar nature does not contain either good or evil it contains balance which is the harmony of good an evil.

That is a paradox. If it does not contain those, how can it be harmony between the two?
Furthermore, nature destroys and gives new life. All to keep the balance. Destroying is evil, creating life is good.

- Swords

[Draageos]

Originally posted by Exaero_Fiero
In my opinion, the extremes are basically bounded to their alignments as to \"very good\" - \'lawful good\' and \'\'extremely bad\" - \'chaotic evil\'. The \"extreme\" alignment by itself automatically sends you into a \"slaughter house\'\' with all the opponents of the not just opposite \"extreme\", but all the opposite alignment.
*goes off to the guild list*
So... on one side we have Defenders (lawful good), but we lack the opposite extreme. Too bad...  Even if The Cabal is not extreme, it is considered to be the closest to the extreme so far.

The day that the Defenders were called extreme 8o
*runs off to make a mark in the calendar*

Originally posted by Efflixi Aduro
Actually, yes, his guild is very active but I was mainly looking at the good guilds like mirth and some others.  They mostly are peace keepers or somthing. None of them actually look like they can put up a fight.

You wish

[lynx_lupo]

Well, evil has the upper hand, they have a manual!
http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=7913&boardid=19

But then there\'s me, to take care of the extremes. (all extremists should be shot )

[Hatchnet]

Try it this way Draklar:

Good-Balance-Evil


Law-Balance-Chaos

three seperpate things nature contains only balance wich is a harmony between two counters. In the case of alignments these are Good vs. Evil and Law vs. Chaos. A better way to see it may be seeing nature as the balance of birth and destruction; it contains neither but balances the two. Yes Efflixi you are right on one point the true distinction between Good and Evil, Law and Chaos is made by inteligent beings not the animals of nature wich do only what is natural to them and thus keep the ballance

[Monketh]

Law vs. Chaos.
Well, the \"Secret Service/CIA Guild\" I proposed would probably be law, so who is chaos?