grammer

[danti-christ]

I have made very few posts, and all that i have heard from me fellow people out there is that my grammer is terrible.However this is annoying as i can not help this due to the fact i can not spell at all cos i am thick

ow wait i mean to say because i am not quite as gramatically correct as the rest of you

So all i want to know is what is with this sudden urge for the grammatically correctness are you all english teachers or something akin to this??

[Under the moon]

^^^^This is your post^^^^

Many people will not or can not read a poorly written post.  So they will just spam your post with \"learn to write\" or some such without even knowing what you wrote.  This is inevitable.  The best thing to do is to slow down, reread your post, and think things through.  OR, you can have a word processor with a spell c/k open and pretype-->edit-->copy-->paste-->post and come off as a genius:]
Also, some people veiw grammer as a sign of intelligence.

VVVV This is your post on spellchecker VVVVV

I have made very few posts, and all that I have heard from my fellow people out there is that my grammar is terrible. This however, is annoying as I can not help this due to the fact I can not spell at all because I am thick.

Oh wait, I mean to say because I am not quite as grammatically correct as the rest of you.

So all I want to know is what is with this sudden urge for the grammatically correctness? Are you all English teachers or something akin to this??

See what I mean:)

[danti-christ]

thanks i aint too good at spelling and i am dumb enough not to think about the spell cheak thing lol well i mite star tdoing this as it will stop u all mumbleing at me

[danti-christ]

note i didnt start in the last thread with s/c
as you can tell!

[XpYtZ]

Uh, another note so that you don\'t get eaten alive by the Mods or various others: never double post. It is really bad etiquet.
Also, most of the grammer complaints that I see on the boards are refering to long, run-on sentances that lack any kind of punctuation. English is hard enough to use to communicate thoughts (though not entirely useless) without us all having to guess whether you are refering to its or it is (it\'s) or there (being a place) vs their (refering to people) and having to decode all kinds of typos like, \"whell i was harving a cdonversdatins...\" vs \"well I was having a conversation...\"
Cool?

I usually misspell stuff (as anyone that can read will tell you) and I get very few comments on grammer so I doubt that spelling is the problem...so much. It is more about punctuation and formatting (I.E. the use of paragraphs.)

[Bjorn]

Some people are just too lazy to use grammar... which annoys me very much!! Yes, spellcheckers are very useful, but like they say: \"You can give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day. You can teach a man to fish, and he will eat for a lifetime.\" Using a spellchecker should be an ALTERNATIVE. Try LEARNING to use proper grammar and punctuation before you use spellcheckers. I apologize if this message sounds like I\'m flaming, but it was not my intention at all to insult or put you down in ANY way.

[Hatchnet]

Bjorn not everyone has a perfect memory and even writers have to use spell checkers so why don?t you people just lay off the whole spelling and grammar issue.

[Monketh]

Some people refuse to stand back and watch the degradation of the english language, I\'m one of them...

Grammar makes one look proffessional.  Lack thereof simply makes you look like you lack the intelligence to do it right.

Laziness is no excuse!  Capitalization, puntuation: these things are easy.


Spelling, on the other hand, is regularly screwed up by just about everybody.  No one is immune from typos, either.  All that needs be done is to actually care about it so your errors aren\'t noticeable.

[Myrtl]

Alot of the time its spammers who tell you that you got bad grammer. They go looking around for poeple who cant spell and comment on your spelling. They like to have a high post count.

Although somtimes thats not the case becuase they actually cant understand what you are trying to tell them. Just try your best to us good grammer i guess

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Hatchnet
Bjorn not everyone has a perfect memory and even writers have to use spell checkers so why don?t you people just lay off the whole spelling and grammar issue.

Because some peoples\' posts show nothing but disregard for halfway decent spelling and grammar. This in fact is bad etiquette by itself, because it shows that the writer doesn\'t have any respect for the other participants, and that he\'s just \"here\'s my great uber cool idea, and I don\'t need to bother with proper language since it\'s just you\". He doesn\'t care about the fact that badly written posts are way harder to read than proper ones, and thus proves that he\'s too lazy to do some work to formulate and type properly but instead dumps the additional workload on the other users, thereby wasting everyones time, just like a SPAMmer.
This obviously is even worse if the reader doesn\'t speak english very well as well, because they then rely on proper grammar to grasp at least something.

The other forum users see that and rightfully ignore / flame the ignorant / superstitious poster.

Edit (for Myrtl\'s post): Obviously, and spelling / grammar mistakes are often abused as a way to ridicule the poster if someone doesn\'t like them or their ideas but don\'t actually have proper arguments to counter theirs, and thus resort to flaming in order to swamp the actual points of the discussion.
Therefore, there is a high threshold before one should start correcting / flaming incorrect grammar and spelling, like chatspeak or really hard to read posts.

[Cwolfx]

i certainly care if i can read a post or not. usually if i cant read it i skip it and dont come back to it...

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Cwolfx
i certainly care if i can read a post or not. usually if i cant read it i skip it and dont come back to it...

Missing capitalisation is one example of what I meant by \"lack of respect\", though.

[Cwolfx]

What im saying is if I cant \"read\" it, due to sloppy typing and to many spelling errors I wont read it. Who cares if every thing isn\'t caplitalized. As long as its not like this,

\"plne shft ist he colest gam in teh wold\"

then its fine.


This is what i like to see,

\"planeshift is the coolest game in the world\"

... You can make that \'P\' a capital if you want but its not imparing anyone from reading it...

[Seytra]

I know that you didn\'t talk about that, since otherwise you\'d have used proper capitalisation.

However, missing capitalisation amkes reading harder (unless you\'re trained to read capitalisationless posts), and therefore should be avoided. It\'s not as hard as reading the scrambled example, but still, and it\'s not that much work to do.
Doing others the courtesy of ensuring the best possible readability (given your personal abilities) is one sign of respect for the others, not doing so is the opposite.

[Andycornell]

Originally posted by Monketh
Some people refuse to stand back and watch the degradation of the english language, I\'m one of them...

Remember, not everyone got English as first language, many of the people browsing and posting on the Planeshift forums might have learned their English by them self.

You can\'t just ignore that.

Typing \"th iisi s te colle stga mee ver\" is not good, and I never read those posts, but for the grammar issue, I never learned correct Norwegian grammar until half a year ago, because writing was never my strong.

English grammar I also lack knowledge of, though I try to keep clean.

But, please, it does not seem to me like a person that whines about bad grammar, or spelling is intelligent, more the opposite.