grammer

[Under the moon]

If you care enough to post your opinion, then yes, you should take care in making the best effort to make your post as readable as possible.  Otherwise your point will fall on deaf ears, or, in this case, on blind eyes .

[danti-christ]

Hum i can see what you are all saying but

people who may be for example dysgraphic or other such educational imparements will find it increaseing difficult to place correct grammer in to the posts that they post

Although correct grammer makes a more presentable post it is impossible for ones self to do this due to the nature of this or other imparements held in the posters life

This is basically saying although i dont suffer from dysgraphia i do not  have a full capacity in the region of grammer due to such issues this however does not and i repeat not  effect my intelligence as you are all suggesting (by all i mean the pro grammer party)
you are all saying that grammer makes you look more intellegent but i feel the content is more valuable

plus how many people do you know who can work out the sqrt of 35 in there head to 3 dp   in less than 1 minuete   in fact the sqrt to any none sq number
this is just to show you all that contrary to anyones belifs i am one of the more intelligent in this conversation (not meaning to put anyone down)

So my point is cant you please just leave the grammer thing alone it is hard for me to comprerhend and i do try

ps the ans to the sqrt of 35 is 5.916 for any one who is interested

[Exaero_Fiero]

Originally posted by danti-christ
Hum i can see what you are all saying but

people who may be for example dysgraphic or other such educational imparements will find it increaseing difficult to place correct grammer in to the posts that they post

Although correct grammer makes a more presentable post it is impossible for ones self to do this due to the nature of this or other imparements held in the posters life

This is basically saying although i dont suffer from dysgraphia i do not  have a full capacity in the region of grammer due to such issues this however does not and i repeat not  effect my intelligence as you are all suggesting (by all i mean the pro grammer party)
you are all saying that grammer makes you look more intellegent but i feel the content is more valuable

plus how many people do you know who can work out the sqrt of 35 in there head to 3 dp   in less than 1 minuete   in fact the sqrt to any none sq number
this is just to show you all that contrary to anyones belifs i am one of the more intelligent in this conversation (not meaning to put anyone down)

So my point is cant you please just leave the grammer thing alone it is hard for me to comprerhend and i do try

ps the ans to the sqrt of 35 is 5.916 for any one who is interested

 The only problem I have with your posts, is that you don\'t have a single punctuation sign even in massive, half-a-page posts; therefore, I have troubles with separating your ideas in the text. I\'m pretty sure that since you\'re not \"dysgraphic\" (?), you shouldn\'t have any problems fixing it.

 Imao... That is definetly not a way to demonstrate your intelligence. That the whole paragraph just shows that you basically you are trying to \"show off\" in front of us in order to gain respect for your intelligence. Such a behavior is prior to a toddler stage of the development of a human.

[Seytra]

Originally posted by danti-christ
Hum i can see what you are all saying but

people who may be for example dysgraphic or other such educational imparements will find it increaseing difficult to place correct grammer in to the posts that they post

Although correct grammer makes a more presentable post it is impossible for ones self to do this due to the nature of this or other imparements held in the posters life

Which is why I wrote \"given your personal abilities\".

Originally posted by danti-christ
This is basically saying although i dont suffer from dysgraphia i do not  have a full capacity in the region of grammer due to such issues this however does not and i repeat not  effect my intelligence as you are all suggesting (by all i mean the pro grammer party)

I didn\'t notice me doing that. Also, all the others said was that it makes one look stupid. The difference is hard to tell (i.e. does a person just look stupid or is this person stupid?), but it\'s my experience that there are way more stupid people out there than are people who have difficulties writing text.

Originally posted by danti-christ
you are all saying that grammer makes you look more intellegent but i feel the content is more valuable

Yes and no. Content is of course the reason of the text, but without proper form, it has less chance of being read or understood by others. Also, if I get the feeling that the poster doesn\'t actually respect the readers, then I might read it, but I\'ll be hard pressed to comment on it.

Originally posted by danti-christ
plus how many people do you know who can work out the sqrt of 35 in there head to 3 dp   in less than 1 minuete   in fact the sqrt to any none sq number

Certainly not me, unless given a calculator.

Originally posted by danti-christ
this is just to show you all that contrary to anyones belifs i am one of the more intelligent in this conversation (not meaning to put anyone down)

To clear this up once and for all: it is my impression that intelligence measures about nothing. At best, it measures how much a person thinks in certain ways.
It\'s certainly nothing that is fit for measuring abilities. Still, someone who has a higher intelligence tends to be more willing to learn different sillk (like writing and maths), so it might work this way but not the other way, though it usually gives a crude indication.

Originally posted by danti-christ
So my point is cant you please just leave the grammer thing alone it is hard for me to comprerhend and i do try

I\'m sure that once everyone knows about that, they\'re not going to flame you anymore. However I don\'t see any reason to flame you anyway, your posts on this thread (Edit: except the second one) did not strike me as being particularly bad. If all your posts are like this, then I don\'t see any reason why people might have flamed you. Maybe they were offended by your forum name and assumed you\'d just be another ignorant n00b, as we sadly have a continous supply of these.

Originally posted by danti-christ
ps the ans to the sqrt of 35 is 5.916 for any one who is interested

While you could have used a calculator, I believe you didn\'t.

Anyway, I dislike chatspeak and missing caps more than an occasional spelling / grammar mistake anyway, since it\'s much more easy to avoid the first two than it is to avoid the latter, and I\'m also willing to make exceptions for people who actually can\'t, but most certainly not for people who just won\'t.

Edit: after reading some of your other posts I believe that the reason is indeed the lack of punctuation. However, if you keep inserting breaks at the ends of the sentences that\'s a reasonable replacement if it really is so hard for you (I\'m not being sarcastic here!).

[DepthBlade]

Well let me say this, \"As long as I can understand what you are trying to say, go ahead an screw up all you want\". Not really a big deal as long as you understand its just like some acents..the words get slurred or said differently but as long as you understand the meaning its all good? I am sure certain people in this community who constantly choose to correct peoples english every chance they can get will disagree that its not alright. Like everything else in life you can just choose not to care about them

[Chestar]

If a twelve year-old *cough* me *cough* can understand how to show respect well enough to know that capitalization and grammar (excusing people whose first language isn\'t English) is one of the key ways to showing that you do not lack humility and do consider yourself equal to others posting in the same forum as you. It is simply a matter of taking pride in your work, respecting fellow players, and realizing that how you present yourself could affect how you sway people towards what you are saying. By saying something that is lacking of proper grammar, you are telling the reader and the person whose thread it is in which you are posting that your time is more important than theirs and you feel you are priveleging them with your opinion, although you cause them to spend extra time trying to figure out what you meant, in which case you should probably restrain yourself from replying thereof.

[Hatchnet]

People STOP MAKING AN ISSUE OUT OF GRAMMER. Not all people can remember proper grammar and spelling when they are trying to use it. While this is separate from the people who just don?t care far too many people are using it as an excuse to spam, flame, and cause other trouble. So please leave people alone; just because someone has trouble spelling or with grammar does not make them ignorant or stupid. However when you make a post just to complain about someone?s spelling and grammar it makes you look arrogant and self centered so please just stop and leave the issue alone.

[danti-christ]

THANK YOU!!!!

I would like to thank people who are seeing my point of veiw, I belive that the grammer within these sort of forums is not top priority, as long as the message which one attempts to convay is understandable it is fine


My main point is the one i mentioned in the first post

STOP STOP and i repeat STOP makeing an issue out of this whole gramatical corectness and me genraly being a tard and not spelling etc correct

[XpYtZ]

None of us are not seeing your view, so far we have only diagreed with some of the finer points of your post.
A: Punctuation exists to show the reader how the text would sound.
B: Missuse of language causes one to apear less educated than those who use it properly.

No one is saying that someone is actually dumber, or that the post is unreadable. We are only trying to comunicate the fact that proper use communicates your point properly, where as improper use leaves one questioning their interpretation of the text.
No one is telling you to start using accents, colons(:) semi-colons(;), parentasies( ) or brackets( [] ) we are just trying to get some periods and capitalized letters, hell even the capitalized letters can go on a hike: a period once in a while would be nice.

By refusing to use such simple grammerical standards (not out of ignorance but out of arrogance) you show a total lack of respect for all those who would want to read your posts and in so doing tell some of us that you do not want your oppinion to be understood, but rather that you just like to type.

When I came to these forums it was uncommon for me to use even a period but I looked up the proper use of the punctuation that I wanted to use and now -by trial and error- I have learned to use some of them properly and others...well...not so properly.
My brother is so damned dislexic that he was in the special education class in his school and he can use proper punctuation, and uses a program like MSWord or another word processor to help him find problems in his sentances.
Long story short, if you cannot write you cannot communicate and if you cannot communicate you will have problems in way more places then these forums.

All we want are some periods; those are the dots that you place at the end of a thought, like this.

[Moogie]

As simple as it may be to people who are able to spell correctly and use grammar where it is appropriate, these skills are just not present in everyone. You can\'t immediately know who is just being lazy, and who genuinly has some degree of Dyslexia- thus perhaps it is fair to give a small reminder to people who seem to be typing improperly, but by no means should anyone get on someone\'s case or get angry because some people just cannot do it.

Dyslexia is a disability, not a lack of education or respect. And, indeed, respect has to go in both directions, so try and think before potentially offending anyone about this stuff.

[Cwolfx]

I agree Moogie. Now some people might have dislexia or could just be sloppy. Also they might type so fast they make alot of mistakes...

Many possiblities.

[Bjorn]

My earlier post, like I said, was not trying to offend, insult, flame, or start a fight with anyone. I was just pointing out the fact that people who ARE NOT dyslexic, and people who have english as a first language, could atleast make an effort to use grammar. I have seen people that talk in \"chat room language\" through their whole post. For example: \"plz help i can tlog in to planeshift it wont let me in when i make a char i tsays linkdead and closes teh pogram help me plzz!!!!!!!!111\"

I would appreciate seeing: \"Please help me! I can\'t log into Planeshift. Whenever I make a character and try to connect, an error message pops up saying \"linkdead\", and closes the program. Could you help me please?\"

And please, nobody take offense to anything I\'m saying. I am just trying to prove a point; it shows disrespect for others if you are not disabled, and English is your second language, yet you talk like someone from Taiwan. Some people don\'t bother to use any punctuation WHAT SO EVER, and therefor people cannot help them, because it is (almost) impossible to read. THEREFOR we cannot help them, THEREFOR causing spam and flaming.

I am not taking any sides, I\'m just saying what I think is right. If you disagree, I would rather you  give a reason for not agreeing with me than flame me.

[Hatchnet]

Bjorn I just ran your last post through a spell checker and realized you really have no room whatsoever to talk here. And I am willing to bet that this is the case with the majority if not all of the people who are complaining about spelling and grammar so from now on every time I see someone make a post just to complain about spelling and grammar I?m going to let them know what spelling and grammar mistakes they made.

I am tired of seeing all these posts complaining about grammar; so maybe if I do this problem will come to an end.

P.S. If you are having trouble reading a post then please instead of posting about the persons grammar and spelling either copy and paste it to your spell checker (which is very easy to do) or just do not post at all.You are causing more problems than you hope to correct.

[danti-christ]

I do see why grammer is playing a great part in the whole forum thing, but I still wont (even though i try) be able to give the  standard that many of you are demanding from me.This is due to the fact i cant, i dont know why but i cant

I am sorry for this and i do try but i am sorry

i hope this hasnt made anyone hate me in this forum as the last thing i want is to make enemies atm

i come places to make friends and end up creating a riot due to grammer
ps is this grammer getting any better?!?!?!?!

[Icefalcon]

Originally posted by Chestar
If a twelve year-old *cough* me *cough* can understand how to show respect well enough to know that capitalization and grammar (excusing people whose first language isn\'t English) is one of the key ways to showing that you do not lack humility and do consider yourself equal to others posting in the same forum as you. It is simply a matter of taking pride in your work, respecting fellow players, and realizing that how you present yourself could affect how you sway people towards what you are saying. By saying something that is lacking of proper grammar, you are telling the reader and the person whose thread it is in which you are posting that your time is more important than theirs and you feel you are priveleging them with your opinion, although you cause them to spend extra time trying to figure out what you meant, in which case you should probably restrain yourself from replying thereof.

*points up* If you haven?t read this? read it.

Danti, I can guarantee that you are capable of using correct spelling and grammar. You just have to slow down and pay attention to what you are saying and how you are saying it. Nobody is stupid enough to be unable to use correct grammar, I don\'t care who you are. It?s the lazy way to write, and being lazy is no excuse. Try capitalizing your ?I?s, that?s an easy one to start with?