Race

[Idealist]

I have noticed that all the races on planeshift are about the same on every mmorpg i have a suggestion on this Instead of doing the same i say you add a different race something that hasent really been tammperd with

I say something along the lines of a more developed (not technologicaly just mentaly) phyonic race... i keep hearing about mages and knights but it would be refreashing to see a compleatly new set of skills like telepathy witch would be good for reading npc thoughts not player thoughts. also this new race of people would have the ability just like all the others to train there skills for instance one could train there combat skills in the arts of phsyco kenises also called telekenisis (the abbility to lift or throw things with the mind for all my n00bers to the subject) while another person could train there mind in the direction twards pryo kenisis (witch is the abbility to set things on fire with the mind) I know i do sound crazy at times on this board but this is one time that i think you should listen to me

[David_HD]

Ugh! I HATE Stephen King for that, alone. He\'s pretty cool otherwise, but...

Pyrokenesis would be moving things with fire, NOT setting things on fire with your mind. That would be Telepyrosis, or some such thing... Not quite certain...

As for psyonics, I like the idea, but I think that the developement team kinda has things planned out regarding the basic functionality regarding this stuff, and I don\'t think that made it in... I don\'t know if it\'s all set in stone, but we should also avoid making it all too complicated...

[Talad]

You started speaking of races and then ended up talking about professions/skills/classes.

About races we have the basic set of common races: elves, humans, dwarves, plus we have a lot of new races, like kran, diaboli, lemur, enkidukai.

About skills our martial artists schools will be similar to psionic powers, so probably that can satisfy your request.

[Idealist]

thank you for the 101 in phsyonics  Yes I did get that from Stephen King lol

[Stawert]

Tis always bad to hear words like that. By all means a Phsyonic ability would be a most lovely skill to have but to say a martial art school would teach it, that would do more harm than good. Martial arts are a sacred thing to many souls. They are already shrouded in mistery and misconception. If you add this misconception to this world then you will do more damage to this fine art. In martial arts there is a mental aspect to it but as for using your mind to cause attacks is simply a missunderstanding. The mind has to be focussed on the task the body is doing and this focuss will intencify the person\'s strength and range. To put this phsyonic ability to the martial artists of this world will surely do nothing more than anger many of the peole who perform martial arts with a passion.

[Ciscokid]

stawart....these people who pratice martial arts need to keep in mind that this is a game, noone is trying ot mock what they do im sure.
if they are so immature to throw a fit over this, then let them.

[Stawert]

Ah the soft words of \"this is only a game.\" If one was to have a game and base it on a race of black humans that are nothing more than slaves to another race of humans, do you not think that termoil would come from that? Of corce it is but a game but does that make it OK to do what you would with things that can be attached to real life? If you make a judgment, be it game or not, towards a group of people, expect that group of people to react. You cannot use \"it is only a game\" as a defence for demoralizing a sect of people.

[Ciscokid]

noone means to demorlize people tho man. u seem a bit worked up and im sorry if i had angered u. noone is making any slaves, did people get upset that the guys in mortal kombat could turn into animals? i didn thear anything about it. or shoot things from thier hands...was what they did NOT martial arts?

[Stawert]

Mortal Kombat is a bad example cause it wasn\'t martial arts. It was a sci fi action movie. Though some had martial arts training it wasn\'t th3e art that allowed them to morph into animals or shoot things from their hands. That was magic that did that. It was a sci fi fantacy that combinded fighting with magic and was not considered a martial arts movie or even a martial arts game for that matter. For examples of martial arts movies take a look at a few of Jacky Chan\'s older movies like Drunken Master. Not the one that was released a few years back but the original one from long ago. For a martial arts game look at Virtual Fighter or even Tekken to an extent. Tekken gets a bit more medaphisical than Virtual Fighter but the moves and concepts come from true styles.

Mortal Kombat, like Street Fighter, have never claimed to be martial arts games but simply called themselves fighting games. The thing is when you place the term martial arts on something you have standards to uphold. If you go against those standards you are showing disrespect and are insulting the art.

Basicly in the end if these forms of skills are going to be used then call them Phsyonic and not martial arts.

[WarLeader]

I disagree on mortal combat, for one The monks believed once you died you turned into your true form a went above the heavens. You could be right about the fire balls and stuff but i know Lu Kangs attack the Dragon looking beam wasnt that was a fighting type of skill i mean look at him when he does it he goes into a Tai Chi/Kung Fu form.

[Stawert]

OK though a talk about Mortal Kombat is way off topic I felt I should respond to that last post. Yes Lu was said to be a monk of shaolin but he had no powers till the god Raiden granted them for the defence of the earth realm. Raiden had a soft spot for humans and felt they were outmatched by Outworld warriors so not only did he compete in the Mortal Kombat but also granted the earth realm fighters special powers. Back when the Mortal Kombat was only on earth and didnt involve Outworld, It was simply a martial arts compotition. This is the compotition that Kung Lau, ancestor to Lu Kang, raigned. Thats when Shang Sun(sp) was sent to earth with Motaro(sp) to claim the ternament and make change it to be the deffence of the realms as it is in modern Mortal Kombat as we see today.

So no it isn\'t the martial arts that allowed them to shoot energy beams, it was the magic granted to them by a god to balance the tides of earth and Outworld, as were the animalities. This reason is why Raiden was only in the one realm deffence Mortal Kombat cause him granting the humans these powers was seen as an interfearence from the way the tournament was ment to go. They were ment to fight as is and not enhanced in any way that they couldn\'t do on their own. So he was banned from ever enterfearing again but the damage had been done. The humans now possesed a new power, again that had nothing to do with martial arts.

Lastly the Monks of shaolin didn\'t believe you came back after death in your true form but that life was eternal. When you died in one form you were reincarnated. It is a common Zen Budist thought that life is an eternal energy that never dies. Though a body dies the energy that gave it life goes on and is reborn in a new body. This new body could be anything from a bug to an ox. This is why most all monks will never step on a bug or kill a rodent. That bug or rodent might just be their ancestor reincarnated.

[WarLeader]

Yea forget what i said thining of the gods of wind, fire, water, and earth make it a Sci fi/adventure  

[paxx]

Ah, the debate of martial arts, and what they should be, and how they should be represented.

Just to make this clear, Martial Arts, means the art of being a warrior, or the art of war. Popular culture has twisted this to mean unarmed combat, or more particularly, traditional Asian combat.

By martial artists schools, Talad was referring to our monk schools, The best way to describe them would be to say that they are classical Fantasy Monks, at a certain point they take a vow of poverty, and make great sacrifices to gain ?enlightenment? this is best explained in that they feel that body and mind are one in the same, greater toning of the body leads to better toning of the mind and visa-versa. Dependant on the school the powers manifest in different ways. Some externally, some internally.
The big difference will be that the magic some of them wield, will not be as the other magic in Planeshift. It will be more along the Psionic type of magic/power/whatever you want to call it.

Now to say this is an affront to Martial artist?would be saying that the term Martial artist is an affront, or that a person who specializes in Western Swordsmanship is not a Martial Artist.
As such, all the characters in Planeshift will have the chance to be Martial Artists?they can all specialize in the art of combat, of one nature or another.

Something else to point out is that in the Planeshift world all things will have access to magic of one sort or another, as all things in Planeshift are magical.

How would a shaolin (sp?) monk, be in a world that was all magical? I believe he would magical?and in fact he would probably manifest some magical ability. Why do I say such a thing? Well I say it because almost everyone in this world will manifest some magical ability, why not the shaolin monk?

And as for offending people who practice Asian Martial Arts, I did not see picket sings at ?Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon? in fact some of my friends and my niece, who all practice Asian Martial Arts seemed to really enjoy the movie. And now own the DVD.

How was what was portrayed in that movie hurt ?Real Martial Arts?. It is like saying Paintball puts real life combat in a poor light.

In short (something I always fail in doing) I think you are overly protective of what is your concept of Martial Arts, and I think you feel it?s reputation is too frail for it to be made entertaining with some embellishment. Do you feel as strongly about car games such as Crazy Taxi, and about the life of a criminal in games such as Grand Theft Auto 3?
This game Like all others is about entertainment, our approach is through a role playing game?it will not be a fighting game, nor will it be a first person shooter?so the classical kung-fu type will not get a plethora of special moves by pressing Ctrl+Shift+a he will get some special attacks by pressing a button on his GUI interface and depending on your path?you might get a spell type effect or two.

If this is too much of a step in the Fantastic, I suggest you not play any Fantasy Games because almost everyone of them fails to display the horrors of Combat and has people shooting lighting bolts out of their hands?and to date, I have never seen that in Real Life.  


-Paxx    

[Stawert]

The thing here that is the problem is that you call it martial arts. No martial arts is not the art of war and souly just unarmed combat. Martial means militant and goes to how the arts are practiced. Though they are used in fighting you aren\'t practicing for war. The martial of arts is tyhe dedication, disciplin, and uniformity used to practice what is called a science if you do a style of Jutsu.

To the art of mind and body you are missing one part left, the spirit. Also you take the mind part out of context. It isn\'t taking the mind to the point of being able to move things with thought. It is more that you expand the ind to the knowledge that is inside the arts. There is much intilectual aspects to the arts that have to be understood. There are pressure point, meridians, healing aspects, and autonamics that all have to be learned. The mind is to be used for understanding not psionics. There is more to the mind aspect but too much to place in a single post.

Now if you would like to talk about Croutching Tiger Hidden Dragon, it as Mortal Kombat is not a movie of martial arts. It had nothing to do with martial arts what so ever and never said it had anything based on martial arts. The movie was a drama slash love story and claimed to be nothing more.

This is the issue at hand, all these examples given to things martial artists have had no problem with have all been things not claiming to be martial arts. Just like the example of the fantasy monks of other RPGs they too never claimed to be martial artists but had a mystical aspect of their training granting them special powers. This game has directly titled their skill as martial arts and in doing so has brought itself under fire. Now if they were to call it by any other name that would be different but they are claiming them to be something that exists in real life and is highly controversial. Call it psionics or templarism but just don\'t call it martial arts or it can be taken as offencive to the martial art community.

[elKano]

I am sorry but I agree with Paxx.
Martial means relative to war, it comes from the roman war god Mars.
Militant means \'who fights\', it comes from milis, soldier in latin.
The fact that the Asian martial arts community calls itself just \'martial arts community\' is perfectly abusive. It can be accepted in Asia, logically, but not in the rest of the world, where traditional ways of fight are not those of what you call \'martial arts\'.
Then, considering that the world of Yliakum is not Asia, I can not see why its way of war could not be called martial arts just because it is not an asian way of war.