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« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2004, 01:44:10 am »
you serious? i heard that is was encouraged 8o
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« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2004, 01:45:07 am »
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you serious? i heard that is was encouraged 8o

 i dont realy know how they work on this ;)

ps this is tolty off topic ROFL
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« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2004, 01:51:18 am »
The last 15 posts could have been PMed.

Don\'t get your hopes up on the orcs. They will definately not be a playable race, almost certainly not an NPC, and most likely not a monster/mob.

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« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2004, 02:02:03 am »
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The last 15 posts could have been PMed.

Don\'t get your hopes up on the orcs. They will definately not be a playable race, almost certainly not an NPC, and most likely not a monster/mob.


still it would be neat to have some
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« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2004, 02:52:10 pm »
Why would they bann you. your right
The game has Dwarfs.. thats also in WoW, did that some how
Slipp past your mind?
The Game has humans in it.. so does every other game.
the Game has Cat like Creatures, Morrowind.
Elves, Warcraft, Wold of warcraft, Morrowind, Lord of the rings.. The game uses a money system.. I cant think of
any other game that does, wow.

Cut and Slash -.. whoa now never seen that one

Mana - Hmm.. some kind of magic, maybe even from the game magic??

Health - Acceptable

Fatigue - Morrowind

I could just sit here and write up some article and go
over it so it perfect, but I\'m not. Insteed I am going to say
It\'s time to stop looking at other games and make ones
with your own constuctive mind.

Maybe reading up about Nikola Tesla and how he
made he\'s inventions would help.. I mean if that information
Is even on the internet.

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« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2005, 03:43:09 am »
I can do nothing but yawn boredly whenever this topic comes up and the extistance of elves and dwarves and humans is given as reason. The only reason why these species are in PS is to give players who don\'t have experience with rather obscure races, or who don\'t wish to go through the additional work of believably RPing an exotic species the option to still play PS and to feel at home. Yes, they\'re totally unoriginal, but, just as I have said on another thread, this os absolutely no reason to add more unoriginal things to PS which are not necessary. Geez, can\'t you think of anything else that might be a replacement for orcs as \"common enemy\"?

On a related matter, since you mentioned hack\'n slash: I\'m actually disappointed that the devs did implement battle first. Even though you can do other things, it\'s the only thing to gain XP from. That is something I see as step backwards. I\'d rather see no XP for battle but skill increase for other activities than the current system. :(

@ Nikolia: exactly. Some basic things simply are a must-have, but once you have satisfied these, it is advisable to not even look at what has been done elsewhere, at least not until you have come up with own concepts. I\'m not sure whether this is Tesla\'s philosophy, but that\'s what I deduce from what I read about him. Maybe you could PM me about this? Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2005, 08:28:22 pm »
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Why would they bann you. your right
The game has Dwarfs.. thats also in WoW, did that some how
Slipp past your mind?
The Game has humans in it.. so does every other game.
the Game has Cat like Creatures, Morrowind.
Elves, Warcraft, Wold of warcraft, Morrowind, Lord of the rings.. The game uses a money system.. I cant think of
any other game that does, wow.

Cut and Slash -.. whoa now never seen that one

Mana - Hmm.. some kind of magic, maybe even from the game magic??

Health - Acceptable

Fatigue - Morrowind

I could just sit here and write up some article and go
over it so it perfect, but I\'m not. Insteed I am going to say
It\'s time to stop looking at other games and make ones
with your own constuctive mind.

Maybe reading up about Nikola Tesla and how he
made he\'s inventions would help.. I mean if that information
Is even on the internet.


ok ok i get your point yes the most in this game is most rip race from other games we need ...new race\'s
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« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2005, 09:15:05 pm »
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On a related matter, since you mentioned hack\'n slash: I\'m actually disappointed that the devs did implement battle first. Even though you can do other things, it\'s the only thing to gain XP from. That is something I see as step backwards. I\'d rather see no XP for battle but skill increase for other activities than the current system. :(


Hmm... Exp when digging :rolleyes: :P Note that it is planned to add more ways to get exp (quest, exploring) according to the Player Guide :)

I agree with the rest of the post though.
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« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2005, 01:16:54 am »
No, we have Stonebreakers, Ylians, Xachas, and Dermorians. I don\'t know what you are talking about... these... humans?

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« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2005, 08:49:08 pm »
Wel icefalcon, as usual, u are the barer of bad news. and i wanted them orcies so bad...well. yes. this game is nothing near original. the races are elves and dwarves with fancy names. and the enkidukai. they seem like a rip off from morrowinds khajit race. P.S. yes lordwolf some new races would be nice [EDIT] all we need is a new city named Balmora and it\'ll be morrowind all over again[EDIT]
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Talamir - DeT, Dark Empire, etc, etc, etc.

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« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2005, 10:36:43 pm »
What about Kran and Lemurs? And Diaboli and Klyros? All just \"Elves with fancy names\", I suppose?

Oh yes, I totally forgot that an MMORPG itself is totally unoriginal, so other unoriginal things are a must-have! Geez, if you\'re already complaining that PS isn\'t truly original, why do you keep crying for more, even more unoriginal things to be added instead of coming up with something less unoriginal? I don\'t see what\'s so special about orcs that you can\'t live without them...

Edit: but feel free to work out truly original races and post them here. I\'d be surprised if you could come up with something that hasn\'t been done before.
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« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2005, 12:33:17 am »
see this what i mean the dev need to be listen to there players if they want more race\'s give it then them!!
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« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2005, 12:56:14 am »
no, every time you bring attention to a fact, you get a warning a ban or a deleted post like my post on how they said that reptiles had slimy skin when they have smoothe shiny dry skin, not to mention the lemur sre giant leperchauns the kran are just golems with brains and the diaboli are devil people (deamons or whatever you wanna call them) they have all been around in games, most of them in small games or forgotten games.

klyros i meant the same as a harpy because of the flying creature so you see what i mean???

read this and save it because it will probably be deleted along with all the replies to it because i just pulled apart the \"realism\" and \"originality\" of a game featuring elves, bat people, underground cities, mutant cats, talking rocks, mining midgets, pointy eared freaks, weird horned red people

i will tell yopu after researching, it\'s called elbow grease, and historical acuracy. i have never seen lizard men in any real mmorpg, just in a text based world.

 i will look up real monsters in a bit.



got one

Before he ascended the throne of Crete, Minos struggled with his brothers for the right to rule. Minos prayed to Poseidon to send him a snow-white bull, as a sign of approval by the gods for his reign. He promised to sacrifice the bull as an offering, and as a symbol of subservience. A beautiful white bull rose from the sea, but when Minos saw it, he coveted it for himself. He assumed that Poseidon would not mind, so he kept it and sacrificed the best specimen from his herd instead. When Poseidon learned about the deceit, he made Pasipha, Minos\' wife, fall madly in love with the bull. She had Daedalus, the famous architect, make a wooden cow for her. Pasipha climbed into the decoy and fooled the white bull. The offspring of their lovemaking was a monster called the Minotaur.

The creature had the head and tail of a bull on the body of a man. It caused such terror and destruction on Crete that Daedalus was summoned again, but this time by Minos himself. He ordered the architect to build a gigantic, intricate labyrinth from which escape would be impossible. The Minotaur was captured and locked in the labyrinth. Every year for nine years, seven youths and maidens came as tribute from Athens. These young people were also locked in the labyrinth for the Minotaur to feast upon.

When the Greek hero Theseus reached Athens, he learned of the Minotaur and the sacrifices, and wanted to end this. He volunteered to go to Crete as one of the victims. Upon his arrival in Crete, he met Ariadne, Minos\'s daughter, who fell in love with him. She promised she would provide the means to escape from the maze if he agreed to marry her. When Theseus did, she gave him a simple ball of thread, which he was to fasten close to the entrance of the maze. He made his way through the maze, while unwinding the thread, and he stumbled upon the sleeping Minotaur. He beat it to death and led the others back to the entrance by following the thread.



actually a wholse site of creatures


http://ancienthistory.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=ancienthistory&zu=http://www.pantheon.org/
 



also found on the site


In old Scotland, the Kelpie is a treacherous water devil who lurks in lakes and rivers. It usually assumes the shape of a young horse. When a tired traveler stops by a lake to rest or to have a drink, he would see a horse, apparently peacefully grazing. When he mounts the horse, the Kelpie dives into the water, but besides wet clothes, the rider gets away unharmed.
 




Intulo
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In Zulu tradition, a lizard-like creature with human characteristics.
 

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« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2005, 07:24:43 pm »
@ LordWolf: ROFL! You see, the devs do not have any obligation to us, don\'t forget that! They\'re doing their thing, and we get to use it for free. You don\'t get to influence anything unless you contribute something of value. Since you don\'t pay money, you need something else, and that would be your work.

@ Black_Rose: I seriously don\'t see why any of these posts would be deleted. Might it be that you worded them in a way that was just asking for deletion? There is, however, one pretty good reason to delete these: they have been asked 100 times before, maybe with the exception of the reptile skin, which probably just wasn\'t noticed before deletion or not important enough. I don\'t have the impression that the mods delete things that they don\'t like. In fact, there seems to be quite a good deal of fairness that the mod team shows.

The skin issue, however, does require correction, I second that, though they probably meant amphibious creatures, which AFAIK do have slimy skin.

Anyway, if you are actually telling that Klyros and Harpies are the same due to the mere fact that they\'re able to fly, and that this is proving your point of unoriginality, then there will be absolutely nothing ever be original, whether ingame or not, because these grotesque generalisation is just ridiculous.

Furthermore, IMO, Kran are not just golems with brains, but silicon-based life, which is something entirely different. This has been used before, in the game \"Master of Orion\", and also in some SF shows, but still I find it quite original. And even if they were golems, wouldn\'t it still be highly original to have them as a playable race?

Additionally, I don\'t see what your excerpt, albeit interesting and informative, does to prove your point? IMNSHO, it only proves that you don\'t seem to see any reasonable border in what you try to use as \"proof\" for unoriginality. It\'s more than far-fetched.

So if you want to define \"original\" as \"never been done before, not even anything slightly like it\", then, as I said before, there can\'t be anything original anywhere, as you might just as well say \"they can think!\" or \"they can\'t think!\", and there goes originality.
Therefore, the only sensible difinition of \"original\" is \"not used often and not in this way\", which the things that have been done in these unknown games or ancient stories fit perfectly well.
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« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2005, 12:23:50 am »
what i see as original is something that has not been used a million times with a different skin  8o, elves are almost always archer, dwarves miners, bolth pure????? what the heck???  ?(  but they could take somethin from a really old forgotten myth, that would be one way of being an original game by using real life monsters (and they do exist) pyschic vampires, i had one for a while, then i swear i had a second one ;)  but the fact is, they need something original or a least truely retro, most of their race\'s are used in one way or another in alot of things. why not have little used races from real mythology? that would be original ;)
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