character names [rant]

[John_Thazer]

Originally posted by Black_rose
the way i see it you should be able to have the same first name as someone and the same last name as someone but not the same full name


like you could have

ted hammelton
and
ted johnson

or

ted johnson
and
frank johnson

but never


frank johnson
and
frank johnson

get it?

Ye ye ye...that\'s what I want...I greet you fellow Chaotic Warrior...

OK, I might be alone with this, but I think it\'s totally lame to use names off books or other stories. I\'d reather use the first thing the randomiser comes up with than name myself Eowyn or something like that. Furthermore, I only very rarely use one name for more than one game, and never for different types / settings: one name has exactly one character attached to it, and if I create a new char (even if in a different game), I create a new name along with it.
John Thazer would IMO fit a SF game or RL setting, but not a medieval fantasy setting.

Don\'t start, don\'t even start...otherwise this discussion will become a bloody battle...The problem with you is  

I only very rarely use one name for more than one game, and never for different types / settings: one name has exactly one character attached to it, and if I create a new char (even if in a different game), I create a new name along with it.

...so you got no idea how I feel...Another thing, is it totaly lame to use names of YOUR OWN books, YOUR OWN stories,    that only adds enjoyment in using the name...And most importantly I laugh at the last point...

I can always use Jon Thazer, as since the character name wasn\'t english in original, nor any language of the world...but I am too used to writting it John Thazer...

I agree, and I also think real life applies to this game as well. This game will have much role play which is like a simulation of real life. With houses and other things coming later in the game then little communities will start to develop. This will be like real life. And becuase this is like real life then there will eventually be hundreds and thousands of players. It will be hard for them to have names that they want. I have a few friends with the same name, and one of them even has the same name as me, this is just stuff we have come to except in a community.

Hear, hear!

[Black_rose]

lol john, if we are on the same side in a rant war, no one will survive


but really people you have to notice to make it,

if you want your so called \"realism\" then don\'t put name restrictions, if i wanted to right now i could change my name to fuzzy crapeater........ hmmmmmmmmmmmm mabye i shou- no. no. no. i shouldn\'t  but i could

[Kixie]

Didn\'t you just hear venge on this? First names HAVE to be unique for /tell purposes. No one wants to type out John Thazer when it\'s easier to type out john. On a second note, last names are generally harder to type out than first names, so having to type anyone\'s last name at all is unnecessary.

[Black_rose]

you could have shortcuts like tell jt or tell john, but when pming a stranger just put pm john thazer

[John_Thazer]

Originally posted by whemyfield
Didn\'t you just hear venge on this? First names HAVE to be unique for /tell purposes. No one wants to type out John Thazer when it\'s easier to type out john. On a second note, last names are generally harder to type out than first names, so having to type anyone\'s last name at all is unnecessary.

Didn\'t you read my posts? I already expressed my opinion about that...

[Black_rose]

yeah, nd he talked about a clear thing,

i feel wrong without using some form of torch,

[Kixie]

Originally posted by John_Thazer
Didn\'t you read my posts? I already expressed my opinion about that...

Yes. You bassically said, \"Venge, I listened but I don\'t care. I think your wrong and I\'m right\" and I\'m telling you that even though you may think that, it isn\'t necessarily the truth by any  means. Unique first names is easier to code for Planeshift, and generally easier for the human mind to process. There isn\'t any reason other than for cosmetic purposes for people to have the same first name. Last names can be misused by other players that interupt other people\'s roleplaying which is BAD. I think everyone can agree that anything that effect\'s another person\'s roleplaying is a bad thing.

[Black_rose]

no, anything that affects it is bolth good and bad, if you see someone with a similar name, you could take it as a name theif, or be friends with a person and rp with them. get it?? yin yang, my philosophy. don\'t be an angel and don\'t be a devil. be a human.

[John_Thazer]

Originally posted by whemyfield

Originally posted by John_Thazer
Didn\'t you read my posts? I already expressed my opinion about that...

Yes. You bassically said, \"Venge, I listened but I don\'t care. I think your wrong and I\'m right\" and I\'m telling you that even though you may think that, it isn\'t necessarily the truth by any  means. Unique first names is easier to code for Planeshift, and generally easier for the human mind to process. There isn\'t any reason other than for cosmetic purposes for people to have the same first name. Last names can be misused by other players that interupt other people\'s roleplaying which is BAD. I think everyone can agree that anything that effect\'s another person\'s roleplaying is a bad thing.

(grunts) What I in really meant is \"Veng, I listened, and I understand, but here\'s my opinion.\"

I don\'t really mind all that uniqueness, but I just can\'t look at it and feel that it is the right thing to do...

Try to think of the future...as Stickman said...what will happen when we will have 10,000 people, or 50,000, or 100,000...the system will not work well...

Ok, let\'s stop quoting ourselves, saying no you are wrong, no no YOU are wrong...Let\'s really think of the future...what do you will happen when we have 100,000 players, regarding to names, whemyfield...

EDIT:

I just noticed interesting fact...I have been included into discussion long before I actually joined:

In RL you know the persons voice. In this game you see *John Thazer yells: Hey Quincy!* If you don\'t know a John Thazer, then you aren\'t likely to answer. On the other hand, you might respond *Quincy Ferdish says: Are you speaking to me?* and make a knew friend.

My name will be unique, when the time comes, but we should give people who have their hearts set on a name a little bit a of a break. Some poor girl is probably out crying her eyes out right now because you stole her Kixie.

And how true is that...

[Black_rose]

exactly,

how many games have you not played because of lack of names? even torch1028 was taken for a few that i have not played...


btw don\'t play graal it has a trojan and faldon gave me a nuke

[Kixie]

Just think of a unique name and you\'ll be fine. I\'d really like to know how many Whemyfield\'s or Kixie\'s you know anyhow.

[John_Thazer]

Originally posted by John_Thazer
Coming up with names is not hard...it is forcing to use them that is a challenge...

[Seytra]

Originally posted by John_Thazer
Don\'t start, don\'t even start...otherwise this discussion will become a bloody battle...The problem with you is ...so you got no idea how I feel...

Admittedly, no. I don\'t even see any point in using the same name no matter what. It is also my opinion that the problem doesn\'t lie with me, but you insisting on that very name. I would see a point if we were talking pseudonyms on the net, not char names in games.

Originally posted by John_Thazer
Another thing, is it totaly lame to use names of YOUR OWN books, YOUR OWN stories,

No, unless the name doesn\'t fit the setting of the target game.

Originally posted by John_Thazer
that only adds enjoyment in using the name...And most importantly I laugh at the last point...
I can always use Jon Thazer, as since the character name wasn\'t english in original, nor any language of the world...but I am too used to writting it John Thazer...

Well, if you don\'t give all facts, don\'t criticise others for not knowing. Anyway, Thazer sounds like a RL name, and Jon is too short.

On the realism aspect: realism has to end at the point where it seriously detracts from the gaming experience. The problem in using non-unique names is that there is absolutely no way of identifying the target char except the name, simply because not everyone has a distinct model. IRL, the \"model\" is what identifies a person, but this role is being performed by the name ingame.
However, if there would be a convenient, seamless and manageable way of shortcutting names, then I\'d be OK with the unique combination method.

[John_Thazer]

Originally posted by Seytra

Originally posted by John_Thazer
Another thing, is it totaly lame to use names of YOUR OWN books, YOUR OWN stories,

No, unless the name doesn\'t fit the setting of the target game.

Originally posted by John_Thazer
that only adds enjoyment in using the name...And most importantly I laugh at the last point...
I can always use Jon Thazer, as since the character name wasn\'t english in original, nor any language of the world...but I am too used to writting it John Thazer...

Well, if you don\'t give all facts, don\'t criticise others for not knowing. Anyway, Thazer sounds like a RL name, and Jon is too short.

To the first...suprisingly IT doed fit to the PS...since at some point in the stories, John Thazer does walk to other worlds, ahem PlaneShifts...

To the second Thazer is not a real name, it does not exists anywhere...nor ever existed...so how can it sound RL name if it isn\'t even in real life...try it...google will only show me...and that\'s all...

[Seytra]

So you are saying that any name will magically fit into PS if you simply say that the char somehow manages to enter the PS world? This might apply to backstories, but not to names.

Furthermore, it doesn\'t matter if Thazer is a real name (and I don\'t think Google knows all RL names). I was saying \"sounds like a\", not \"is a\" RL name. Things can sound like something they are not, just like \"Jon\" sounds like \"John\", but isn\'t.