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Is this a hack?
« on: January 01, 2005, 12:39:38 am »
So the question is.
Is the use of a nostromo keypad and/or any other keypad that has macro capability not legal in planshift?  

I have asked several people that have seemed pretty darned disinterested in this.  However, it gives you some pretty major advantages in gameplay.  For instance, you can create a macro that will mind for you for as long as you want.  The other deal is it will do any skill which requires repetitive actions to be accomplished for as long as you want.  This means you can set your character on auto and go make coffee.  

There are several ways to foil a gamepad.  One is that a gamepad has no random number generator.  Therefore, it operates at an exact time.  Therefore, if you time actions they come out to an exact time.  So, to get rid of the script kiddies you could merely have your code time the actions and then reject all actions were within .2 seconds and there you would have your gamepad people.  

The second way to get rid of gamepad people is to mix it up a bit.  This would entail a little code.  What you do is make it so that it is a little different every time you need to run a trade skill that you have to give a little different response every single time.  For a human that is not much of a problem.  For a gamepad macro it isn\'t going to happen.  Therefore,  adding this would make it impossible for a gamepad macro to react.  

Sorry if I just killed any chance of a gamepad macro of working.  

The next point is a gamepad really a problem?  

I seriously don\'t think it\'s much of one.  If it is in fact a repetitive task you, the developers, need to know that.  It doesn\'t help in roleplaying in anyway. And, afterall, this is a role playing game.  Therefore,  any repetitive task isn\'t really a role playing element.  

Just thought I would throw this stuff out.  

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« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2005, 12:47:21 am »
I got somthing to add to this. Is it illegal to make keybindings? ?(
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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2005, 12:59:20 am »
I don\'t think its a hack as long as it doesn\'t interfere with the code of PS.
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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2005, 01:35:28 am »
I think the best thing would be to made things like the current digging system useless. Because such a system really gives an unfair advantage to people with no life that can hit /dig for gold every 5 seconds.

I fully support smart macros as this doesn\'t give a training disavantage to those who can\'t spend their life on their screen (of course, these macros should be available on the main site so nobody is spoiled)
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« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2005, 01:45:52 am »
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I think the best thing would be to made things like the current digging system useless. Because such a system really gives an unfair advantage to people with no life that can hit /dig for gold every 5 seconds.


thats / dig for gold or /dig for iron

that gets REAL annoying after a while. You waste a lot of time doing that. Should be allowd becuase it saves time and your temper especially when you get 1 gold out of every 15 trys... ;)
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« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2005, 01:46:36 am »
No, it\'s not a hack, and nor is keybinding (otherwise why would they implement an entire Options page dedicated to binding your own keys? :) )

It is, however, botting, which GMs will consider against the rules.

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« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2005, 01:53:25 am »
So is it legal to use the keybinding when you are at your computer but illegal when you are not, like its illegal to hold down your hotkey with somthing for dig which would be considered a bot but when your afk.
Sorry long sentance hope it makes sence  :)
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« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2005, 02:07:03 am »
They should really replace the digging system with a sub-window. This sub-window would contain a progress bar and a rock face. You click on the rock to whack your pick axe at the target area. If you *hit* you gain 20% mining progress, and it resets(to random) the location of the part you must hit. If you miss your pick loses a little bit of durability/sharpness.

Your mining skill would slightly increase the circle area in which you must hit(perhaps by 1 pixel), and would increase the amount of progress gained per hit(again, by 1%). The progress could also go up slowly, like by 1% per second.

Once it reaches 100, you successfully mined something. Yay, fun! :D

To further complicate it, there could be a cooldown time on whacking the rock - say (2.5 seconds - (Strength/100) seconds) This would make a weak mage able to whack the rock every 2 seconds, but a strong Kran able to every 1.25 seconds.

Then they could also change the hit-area sizes and the progress gained depending on the mineral being mined. Iron could be 30%, Gold 20%, Crystals 10%, \"Rarest-Metal\" -10%(meaning you\'d require 11 mining skill to even get 1% per hit. Ofcourse, if you gained 1% progress every second, you wouldn\'t need to hit, so it would have to be something like (progress you hit for)/60 per second.

Or I suppose they could even reset the progress bar every time you miss - that would be evil though, and would depend entirely on luck. :P

Just some thoughts.

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« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2005, 02:15:27 am »
It would prevent the use of macro but still made it as boring...
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« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2005, 02:28:51 am »
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So is it legal to use the keybinding when you are at your computer but illegal when you are not, like its illegal to hold down your hotkey with somthing for dig which would be considered a bot but when your afk.
Sorry long sentance hope it makes sence  :)



Yes, that\'s correct. :) Sure, it\'ll be boring to sit there mining. But hey, if you wanna be a miner, that\'s your decision to make... Letting a piece of code play the game for you while you go off doing other things is not \"playing the game\", so people who do not want to play the game are very much welcome to leave.

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« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2005, 02:31:49 am »
Just curious... How would you know whether I\'m sitting behind my computer or not at any given point?
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« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2005, 02:46:01 am »
A wonderful thing called chat. If you\'re mining away and don\'t reply to a GM if they try talking to you several times, they can assume you\'re botting. :)

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« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2005, 02:54:47 am »
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A wonderful thing called chat. If you\'re mining away and don\'t reply to a GM if they try talking to you several times, they can assume you\'re botting. :)


And they\'ll put you in detention for a couple of days, or they\'ll just be fair and ask a dev to reset your mining skill and take away all your money and your mined stuff. :)
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« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2005, 03:05:09 am »
I\'m definitely using a macro to mine while I watch TV. :D Then I can sit there and enjoy the show, and check the chat log every 5 or 10 minutes. :P

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« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2005, 03:40:51 am »
That would simply be multi tasking.. I see nothing wrong with that. But I don\'t know how others feel.
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