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guns (hear me out)
« on: January 07, 2005, 11:55:41 pm »
yes i know that we all hate this idea and i know it is touchy, but before you spam listen to this,

when you think of the guns idea you think of people talking about this stuff

http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=3659&boardid=11&sid=b5d91597a4e16ed18c92ac15a02d389c&page=3

but i want to talk about this http://www.albion-small-arms.freeserve.co.uk/14th15thcent.htm

true fifteenth century guns, the way i see it is they would be effective anti armor weapons for armor that a bow can\'t really puncture, but they would take a huge amount of skill to actually hit with (range skill) and reload would start around a 3-10 second reload (when being charged plus how fast you click powder adding) or a 2 turn reload and would go up with a reloading skill, you could get a knife attatchment (bayonet) and sutch, and these guns would be powerful but would require manual powder and reload (put in the right order, if yyou don\'t you get hurt). these guns were around during fifteenth century and mid fourteenth century, so they would fit, they would also require blasting caps and other materials to fire, if they fire. and when you fight with them it would go with your staff fighting or spear fighting skill (once they implement it)  get it??? it\'s not to far fetched and not rigged at all. but if this gets out of hand with flameing i would request that it be turned to a \"warning about disliked topics) thread ;)
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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2005, 11:59:54 pm »
Guns could be a way of fast travel. Remember Seiken Densetsu 2 + 3. But then we would need some large pillows on which you could land softly.

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I could really good imagine guns ingame.

Well If I think of guns in Fantasy settings i ever have to think of \"The fifth stone\"
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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2005, 12:09:20 am »
i have no clue what you are talking about, personally i am against fast transport. but i was also thinking of mixing guns and magic for spells (out of bullets???? not in good effect??
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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2005, 01:46:33 am »
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but before you spam

A great way of getting people to read your stuff is to accuse everyone who actually bothers to read it of spamming. :rolleyes:
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when you think of the guns idea you think of people talking about this stuff

http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=3659&boardid=11&sid=b5d91597a4e16ed18c92ac15a02d389c&page=3

Anyway, I have said everything that I have to say on this topic in the very thread you linked to.

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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2005, 03:15:56 am »
Guns, guns, guns....nope. i think the devs are gonna stick to magic and swordplay (at least i hope so)
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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2005, 07:46:51 am »
Did I read you right? Modern guns have a hard time penetrating plate armour and you think a medieval one wouldn\'t? Did you the know that the captain of the U.S.S. Constitution (Old Ironsides) was wearing a full suit of plate during that famous battle? And that he was struck by no less than nine bullets during the battle? They were at boarding range for crying out loud you don\'t get any closer than that during a sea battle; it could not have been more than 80 ft from the deck rail of one ship the opposit rail of the other and not one of those bullets penetrated the armour.
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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2005, 10:14:42 am »
Time for this pic again!!


But no guns guys, i was newbie and wanted guns to once, but i got over it. Flintlocks would be good for a game, but it?s not Planeshift, so get over it.

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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2005, 11:24:36 am »
Well Black rose, In the Seiken Densetsu games you were shot around by guns for fast travel, XD
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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2005, 03:47:42 pm »
Please let\'s not go Might & Magic style :P Pfaa Blasters, I better stick to my trusty sword or magic...both preferably :P


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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2005, 09:26:51 pm »
Planeshift and guns dont really macth, i think... But why not? But first u have to think about the controle... i mean
shall the gun aim be the same as abilities and so on.
I think guns will appear later in this game, cause for the first its a fantasy rpg, and second; the only thing u wanna come away from when u play rpgs is the chemical war....

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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2005, 09:56:15 pm »
Guns hmmm ...  not my thing although with Alchemy black powder could probably be made fairly easily (coal, salpeter and sulphur) which would make for Canons, Grenades and perhaps some muskets but you\'d need to convince smiths that they want to forge that kind of objects which you could since dwarves would see the mining interest of powder.

Although if I had my way I\'d definitely develop Catapults :)

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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2005, 12:39:53 am »
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Did I read you right? Modern guns have a hard time penetrating plate armour and you think a medieval one wouldn\'t? Did you the know that the captain of the U.S.S. Constitution (Old Ironsides) was wearing a full suit of plate during that famous battle? And that he was struck by no less than nine bullets during the battle? They were at boarding range for crying out loud you don\'t get any closer than that during a sea battle; it could not have been more than 80 ft from the deck rail of one ship the opposit rail of the other and not one of those bullets penetrated the armour.


well only the armour of that time, plate armour was cancelled due to it\'s inabillity to withstand guns. the reason why bows dissapeard was guns having the ability to take out knights when a bow could not.
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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2005, 08:21:46 am »
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Did I read you right? Modern guns have a hard time penetrating plate armour and you think a medieval one wouldn\'t? Did you the know that the captain of the U.S.S. Constitution (Old Ironsides) was wearing a full suit of plate during that famous battle? And that he was struck by no less than nine bullets during the battle? They were at boarding range for crying out loud you don\'t get any closer than that during a sea battle; it could not have been more than 80 ft from the deck rail of one ship the opposit rail of the other and not one of those bullets penetrated the armour.


well only the armour of that time, plate armour was cancelled due to it\'s inabillity to withstand guns. the reason why bows dissapeard was guns having the ability to take out knights when a bow could not.


You have no idea what your talking about.

There was an arrow head that was the equivilent of a modern armour piercing bullet that when used with a long bow could take out a knight on horseback at well over a hundred yards.

Early firearms were just like eary crossbows inacurate and you could not hit squat at a hundred yards.

During the 18th century they were still makeing armour in the same way they had been doing for the three previous centurys.

Early firearms had little penetration power due to the round amunition they would not penetrate chain much less plate.

The reason why guns replaced bows? Well which was cheaper a trained archer or a man with a gun.

Why did armour fall out of use? Seriously would you pay for the armour to protect a soldier when you can just conscript another one and hand him a gun?

Back to econamy: Which is cheaper to transport the amunition for a riffle or the amunition for a bow?

Seige enginers were use wearing plate armour for protection  from small arms fire as late as the 18hundreds .
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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2005, 08:31:24 am »
You DIFFINATELY know what your talkiing about!  :))   I dont really like the guns idea. Takes away from the game

I think we need tanks...

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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2005, 11:14:52 am »
Who needs tanks when you can have armoured worms :)

That said I believe the guns could be introduced if they kept all the defaults of early guns (does  not fire under water or when raining, tends to explode whenever the crafting of the barrel is badly made, long time to recharge, dependant on having bullets and powder in your pack, heavy recoil, almost no penetration power, inaccurate at medium to short range, ...)

Let\'s face it portable guns took a definite time to make and even more of a time before they could be considered a weapon of sort on the battle grounds, what made it so that powder persisted was artillery in the beginnings of it\'s use.