U.S. Based Server

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
it has nothing to do with the US wanting/having \"the free server\". The thing that you need to seem to \"get over\" is your bad attitude towards Americans.

And I never asked for 5 servers, I asked for a US Based server, and I don\'t think it is too bizarre.

I do think it is. The reason for this will be explained later on.

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
And you don\'t want to break up the Europeans from the US? Are you serious? Half of the Europeans don\'t even speak English while on PS, so why would we care?

Well, maybe because it sucks as it is already? Maybe because it\'s only half of the europeans, not 100% of them? Maybe because 50% is a very large percentage, and a very valid reason to care very much?
You might not realise it, and you obviously haven\'t read the other threads on the exact same topic, because otherwise you\'d know why this is utter BS to say, as I will come to later on.

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
Racist? 1st off, being American isn\'t a race man.

White, Black, Asian: those are races.

:tdown:
You know perfectly well that the term \"racism\" is very often used way beyond it\'s technical meaning. It\'s become synonymous for \"discrimination against any group of people\", not necessarily based on race. Therefore, don\'t try to avoid the main point of the discussion by trying to discredit the original poster. Instead, prove your points and refute their claims, which I don\'t see you doing!

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
2nd, you were the one who jumped down my throat with your \"assumptions\" of my thoughts. Next time, read what you post. Otherwise, you just make yourself look stupid.

However, it doesn\'t make you look wise to not try to back up your statements by anything but flames, either.

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
Thank you for a LOGICAL explanation/post, instead of just a rant like the others here.

:tdown: There isn\'t any more logic in the reply of Androgos than is in any of the others. In fact it doesn\'t even try to give a reason that\'s relevant to your assertions of ping latency. It merely says \"it is fine\" and \"we don\'t want to\". You now still know sh*t about what the reasons are, and if it didn\'t work good enough for you before, it isn\'t likely to work better now after this reply, now is it? They might very well be the exact reasons that have been posted by the other posters. But since they came from a dev, and not from one of the other posters, which you already have serious trouble getting along with, it becomes \"logical\" all of the sudden. :tdown:

If you\'d have read the settings, or rather the \"About\", you\'d have seen this:

From the \"About\" page
We want to give FREE access to everyone, without the need to either purchase the game or pay a monthly fee. Servers and bandwidth will be donated by sponsors.

Having read these two simple sentences would have prevented this entire thread, along with all the annoyance caused by it.

I will, however, at the end, state some insights I got from reading the forums (yeah, one can do that!), which, as opposed to all others, actually reach my standards on what \"logical\" means.

Originally posted by Black_rose
splitting the gaming poulation would not be so bad,

In fact, it\'s very, very bad.

Originally posted by Black_rose
do it by language (english, spanish, french, german and other major languages) that way the people will not loose online friends and bilingual people could use more then one world

Yes, the multilingal people can always join more than one server, but what about their chars and friends on the other server(s)? Probably one of the \"why should we care\" issues, right? :rolleyes:
WRONG!
In fact, it\'s one of the central issues! PS is one single world. Implementing another server would mean to split up the world, and create a duplicate. This is why there aren\'t more official servers ATM, and why the license allows you to only connect to official servers: so that the world will never split up.
Now you\'ll say \"what about linking the servers\"? In fact, this is what is planned, but it\'s not implemented yet, because there are other, more basic issues to be sorted out, one of them being server stability. What good are 1000 linked servers if they all randomly crash ever 5 minutes and without a vast and well-defined, balanced ruleset and world? No good at all.
This could have easily been answered by a simple use of the SEARCH button, which would have brought up all the threads in which ppl. were asking for \"A SERVER NEXT TO MY COMPUTER!!!!\". :tdown:

Therefore, it is obvious that you didn\'t want to help, but that you wanted to channel additional resources to yourself, regardless of the fact that your current situation isn\'t bad at all, and also completely disregarding the fact that resources are quite limited, without even having bothered to inform yourself at all. :tdown: This is, BTW and AFAICS, a very american attitude, and in fact is the essence of \"the american way of life\" as it is received accorss the globe.
Obviously, America isn\'t the only country that\'s notorious regarding such thinking, but it\'s the one that takes most pride in it, and also the one that does most damage by it simply due to it\'s size, and also gets noticed most, also due to it\'s size.
That\'s why you got the icy welcome: you gave a very good resemblance of the stereotype of an american, as it oozes through every metre of your countries borders.

[Erinys]

So many games only have a server on 1 spot (mostly korea or the US) and I never found ANY european asking for an european server, why would you really need a server in the US, besides why in the US what if the PS team accepts your request for a second server and takes one in Asia?
By the way I think you really must get servers in Asia, Europa and Africa of that MWN thing.

[Rip The Jacker]

Go ahead and go find me links to these games which offer only one gaming server to players across the globe.

Funny, EVERY Major MMORPG I know of has atleast 4 servers.

[Rip The Jacker]

Erinys: you missed the point completely about my NWN comment.  That was saying, people from ALL over the world (we have a LARGE player base on my server) play on my server with pings below 200ms.

Players inside the states get sub 100ms pings.

Saying that you should expect a high ping while connecting is just an excuse for haphazard hosting.

If my hosting company gave me service like that, I would have got my money refund many months ago.

[Rip The Jacker]

Seytra: you want to talk about a \"holier than thou\" attitude?  HOLY MOLY!  You need to take quite a few sedatives.

You, like your european counterparts, like to \"label\" people simply for asking questions, and not reading every single thread on this board before posting.

And it is not \"utter BS\" to say that there should be 2 servers, one english, one foreign.  HALF THE TIME, what is being said in shouts/tells cannot even be read because it is in a different language.  So far: I\'ve seen 3 major languages used regularly: French, German, and Russian.  I hate to tell you: I can\'t speak any of them.  So obviously: I wouldn\'t be able to play/do anything with them anyways, considering we have the biggest barrier of all in our way, Language.


Now, for the definition of racism:

rac?ism
n.
- The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
- Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

And if you want to argue that words ar used beyond their means: you can do that about almost ANY word.


Maybe you didn\'t read Androgos post to me or not, but he was THE ONLY person who gave me a logical, calm, non-lambasting answer here on the board.  So yes, I do believe I have the right to thank him for being the only level headed person here.  Also, I do know several reason\'s for the current performance issues surrounding PS, thank you very much.

Maybe you should have just answered my question instead of attacking my ethnicity (that is the word you were trying to think of, but couldnt.  HUGE difference from ethinicity and racism).

\"Servers and bandwidth will be donated by sponsors\"
My dear lord, THATS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS WHOLE TIME.  There has GOT to be a company/someone willing to be an American sponser for PS.  If I can run a $70 a month gaming server, while not having to pay ANY money for it since the day I first purchased the server spot due to player donations: I am POSITIVE PS can land a very, very lucrative server.  If you say anything different, you are just being obtuse.

And please, leave my ethnicity out of this.  For once, answer someone question without attacking who they are and their bloodline.  That is, if you care to have a player base, at all.  Because obviously, you have a \"thing\" for American\'s, and it\'s quite revolting.

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
Erinys: you missed the point completely about my NWN comment.  That was saying, people from ALL over the world (we have a LARGE player base on my server) play on my server with pings below 200ms.

Players inside the states get sub 100ms pings.

Which means that you yourself didn\'t bother setting up a server in Europe, nor in Asia, regardless of the double ping these regions are getting? You must be joking!

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
Saying that you should expect a high ping while connecting is just an excuse for haphazard hosting.

If my hosting company gave me service like that, I would have got my money refund many months ago.

Well, the devs got their money back already: it\'s a donated server, so yeah.

Also, FYI, as you obviously still haven\'t bothered to inform yourself even the most tiny bit: the large ping isn\'t due to the server. Fragnetics isn\'t a cheap hosting site, located in the backyard of some kid. It\'s a major player in the hosting bisiness, and the devs have applications from other major hosting companies, as you can see from Androgos\' comment.
Therefore, the lag must have another issue, so maybe it\'s the alpha stage the code is in? Or maybe it\'s that the devs did a tradeoff between bandwidth requirements and ping speed? Or maybe it\'s just that it isn\'t even a problem, so nobody actually cares?
I\'m starting to get the impression that you didn\'t even create an account, but just had a look on the ping times and started rambling on the forum... Furthermore, do you know if Europe or another country has different ping times at all? Probably not, as gathering information doesn\'t seem to be your strong side... :rolleyes:

Edit: I\'m presently editing this post to include my reply to your post to me.

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
Seytra: you want to talk about a \"holier than thou\" attitude? HOLY MOLY! You need to take quite a few sedatives.

I don\'t think I have need for that. I\'m not talking \"holier than you\", as you might read from me saying that America isn\'t alone on this.

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
You, like your european counterparts, like to \"label\" people simply for asking questions, and not reading every single thread on this board before posting.

Well, yes, for asking questions without bothering to inform themselves. It\'s not that hard to hit \"search\" and then enter \"America server\", hit \"search\" and sift through the threads that come up.
so obviously, you prefer to cause more work to mods, more bandwidth and space usage for the board, and more overhead to all readers of this forum, instead of taking the tiome to at least rry to find some information on your own.

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
And it is not \"utter BS\" to say that there should be 2 servers, one english, one foreign. HALF THE TIME, what is being said in shouts/tells cannot even be read because it is in a different language. So far: I\'ve seen 3 major languages used regularly: French, German, and Russian. I hate to tell you: I can\'t speak any of them. So obviously: I wouldn\'t be able to play/do anything with them anyways, considering we have the biggest barrier of all in our way, Language.

That\'s why you should rather be requesting that the official language of PS, which is english, btw., be promoted. I, for one, hate it if people who are perfectly able to speak the language of the region they\'re in, prefer to separate themselves by sticking to their own language, rather than giving others the chance to communicate with them. I will not use my native tongue in PS, since PS is an english zone.
I see that there are people who don\'t speak english very well, but separate servers would encourage multilingual people to join their native server, thereby adding to the fragmentation of the world.

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
Now, for the definition of racism:

It seems to be becoming increasingly popular to quote dictionaries. However, as I already said, the definition is of absolutely no importance in this discussion, and is only used to detract attention from the main discussion.

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
And if you want to argue that words ar used beyond their means: you can do that about almost ANY word.

Yes, but I don\'t want to argue about that, because this is absolutely irrelevant in this discussion.

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
Maybe you didn\'t read Androgos post to me or not, but he was THE ONLY person who gave me a logical, calm, non-lambasting answer here on the board. So yes, I do believe I have the right to thank him for being the only level headed person here.

Yes, you may thank him for having replied calmly. However, I don\'t see why you would expect any levelheadedness as you yourself don\'t show lots of it?

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
Also, I do know several reason\'s for the current performance issues surrounding PS, thank you very much.

Then why do you think that another server would ease these, as it\'s obviously not mainly the servers / locations fault?

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
Maybe you should have just answered my question instead of attacking my ethnicity (that is the word you were trying to think of, but couldnt. HUGE difference from ethinicity and racism).

Well, \"discrimination based on ethnicity\" would have been the proper wording, then. Thanks for pointing that out.
However, this doesn\'t have anything to do with my attack on your ethnicity. I stand by what I wrote.

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
\"Servers and bandwidth will be donated by sponsors\"
My dear lord, THATS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS WHOLE TIME. There has GOT to be a company/someone willing to be an American sponser for PS. If I can run a $70 a month gaming server, while not having to pay ANY money for it since the day I first purchased the server spot due to player donations: I am POSITIVE PS can land a very, very lucrative server. If you say anything different, you are just being obtuse.

Geez! You still haven\'t understood what everyone is trying to get accross!
PS servers are donated by whoever wants to donate such a server, given that the devs accept their offers. I\'m absolutely sure that there are several american companies who already have offered free hosting.

PS is truly, completely, and absolutely free. That means it\'s not asking the players for anything, not fees, not shipment, not donations!
PS isn\'t about making money, so there is absolutely no importance whether the server might be lucrative to host or not: nobody cares!
The only profit that server donors are going to make is the prestige they get from hosting this project.

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
And please, leave my ethnicity out of this. For once, answer someone question without attacking who they are and their bloodline.

I didn\'t. I was attacking America, not you. Also, your bloodline hasn\'t been attacked, as I don\'t give a damn whether you just moved to America or if your family has been there since the first ship landed there.
The only thing that may be regarded as me attacking you is that I stated that you\'re resembling the, highly negative, image of \"the ignorant, superstitious, lazy and greedy american\". This I didn\'t base solely on the question you asked, but on the way in which you repiled to the other replies. However, while these actually were at least somewhat informed, yours weren\'t, and the form wasn\'t different.

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
That is, if you care to have a player base, at all. Because obviously, you have a \"thing\" for American\'s, and it\'s quite revolting.

Yes, I do have a \"thing\" for americans, but only for these that fit the bad impression I got. FYI, I once admired America, but this admiration has faded more and more in the recent years.

I\'ve run into Monketh, as well, but nevertheless I respect him, as I do all other americans who don\'t fit the negative image, which are quite many. In fact, I don\'t even know nor care where people come from as long as they don\'t display the attitude I was talking about earlier.

As for the player base: the devs have stated somewhere that they\'d keep on doing PS even if there\'d be only a single or no player. They\'re doing it because they want to, not because of us. We\'re just lucky to get it for free.

[Rip The Jacker]

Why would I set up a server in Europe or Asia, when they do not suffer from lag, and ALL experience pings below 200ms?  Obviously, our host is in a good place, considering everyone who connects to it has a fantastic connection, regardless of where they are in the world (and yes, I have tested this, I speak with people regularly on NetFone from around the world while playing online games, and all of the people I have chatted with commend me/my team on having such a great lag free server).  You think we would have become the #2 Ranked Gameworld of all time, otherwise?

And yes, I know Fragnetics, and have actually been in contact with them about this issue, as well.  They told me NEVER to expect a ping higher than 350ms.  If you ask me, that is pretty silly.  Not to mention, you yourself italicized a very important word regarding servers: DONATION.  Via donations (not just server donations, but player donations), you can open up a whole new set of possibilites for you, and your development team.

LOL!  I didn\'t make an account and play?  Actualy, Seyta: you should be thanking me.  I have been playing since the minute (no joke) the Mac Build was released, and actually DID NOT SLEEP at all, simply so I could play PS all night long (regardless of the 21, count them, 21 Linkdeads I recieved).  Not only that, but I have been helping Mac users solve ingame problems and performance issues.  So please, keep your accusations to yourself.

Also: do you get off by putting people down? You seem to do it alot, and I have not done it once to you.  Why not cut the childish facade, and talk to me like a human being?

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
Why would I set up a server in Europe or Asia, when they do not suffer from lag, and ALL experience pings below 200ms?

Because you\'re requesting the exact same from PS: to set up a server somewhere, while the real problems don\'t come from the server, nor from the ping times.

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
(and yes, I have tested this, I speak with people regularly on NetFone from around the world while playing online games, and all of the people I have chatted with commend me/my team on having such a great lag free server).

I was asking whether you have checked with other PS players, preferrably those from europe, if their connection speeds actually are better than yours.

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
And yes, I know Fragnetics, and have actually been in contact with them about this issue, as well.

I know, you stated it in your previous posts.

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
They told me NEVER to expect a ping higher than 350ms.  If you ask me, that is pretty silly.

Well, they probably know the server code, and what performance it is supposed to deliver, and gave that as an answer.

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
Not to mention, you yourself italicized a very important word regarding servers: DONATION.  Via donations (not just server donations, but player donations), you can open up a whole new set of possibilites for you, and your development team.

Well, but neither the devs nor the community wants that, as I just stated in the amended post.

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
LOL!  I didn\'t make an account and play?  Actualy, Seyta: you should be thanking me.  I have been playing since the minute (no joke) the Mac Build was released, and actually DID NOT SLEEP at all, simply so I could play PS all night long (regardless of the 21, count them, 21 Linkdeads I recieved).

Why should I be thanking you for playing a game? I hardly get anything from you doing that, do I?

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
Not only that, but I have been helping Mac users solve ingame problems and performance issues.

Well, this indeed is something that I thank you for.

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
So please, keep your accusations to yourself.

Well, I can only judge from what\'s there, and this impression was quite a crappy one.

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
Also: do you get off by putting people down?

Awww, now you\'re sinking even deeper than I may have yet.

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
You seem to do it alot, and I have not done it once to you.

Well, I don\'t see any substantial difference between my posts towards you and yours towards me, in terms of form. But to be honest: I got really angry at you during my reading of this thread, for the reasons I already outlined. That\'s why my replies were harsh.

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
Why not cut the childish facade, and talk to me like a human being?

If this is a mutual agreement, I\'m fine with that, though I don\'t think I was acting childish other than knowing better than posting to threads that annoy me, when I should be doing other things anyway.

[Rip The Jacker]

The thread might annoy you, but that DOES NOT give you the reason to talk down to people, and to act like what they have to say is meaningless.

You look through your posts: they are FULL of put downs and \"disses\", instead of simple answers, like Androgos gave me (did he put me down?  No.  Did he start a fight?  No.  Did he attack my ethnicity?  No).  You would rather verbaly lambast anyone who you dont like, for one reason or another.  You even pointed out, yourself, that you have a problem with Americans.

So, if YOU are going to be so ethnically biased, you should simply not post to people anymore.  Because, wether you realize it or not, you are being VERY ignorant, and have said some pretty messed up things to me.

I\'m not going to keep on rehashing this with you: anyone can read this thread and see that you have an attitude problem.  You need to learn some common, decent ways to communicate with people if you plan on having any success.

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
The thread might annoy you, but that DOES NOT give you the reason to talk down to people, and to act like what they have to say is meaningless.

As I have stated, this wasn\'t the sole reason for any of it.

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
You look through your posts: they are FULL of put downs and \"disses\", instead of simple answers, like Androgos gave me

I can and will not deny this.

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
(did he put me down?  No.  Did he start a fight?  No.  Did he attack my ethnicity?  No).  You would rather verbaly lambast anyone who you dont like, for one reason or another.  You even pointed out, yourself, that you have a problem with Americans.

Wait a sec, don\'t omit important parts, will you? The exact quote was:

Originally posted by Seytra
Yes, I do have a \"thing\" for americans, but only for these that fit the bad impression I got.

This means that I have no problem with Americans per se, just with those that fir the \"image of the typical American\". In fact, my dislike for people like this isn\'t tied to Americans, though I admit that this cannot be deducted from my statement so I can\'t argue that way.

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
Because, wether you realize it or not, you are being VERY ignorant, and have said some pretty messed up things to me.

I mainly stated what my impressions were. However, the things I directed or implied at you personally weren\'t that bad AFAICS. Certainly not nice, true, and I\'m not going to try to justify this by your statements, which weren\'t \"friendly\", either.

But anyway, this discussion should have been taken to PMs ages ago indeed.

[Rip The Jacker]

This discussion is over.  I wouldn\'t PM with you even if you sent one to me.

I have no time to talk to someone who openly admits to being a jerk to people, simply because he enjoys it (And as you said, you can\'t deny anything you said).

Here is the advice I will give you in closing: if someone asks a questions, simply answer it with a logical, calm, unaccusational post.  Leave personal attacks of ethnicity out of your posts, if you don\'t want to be viewed as completely ignorant, and a bigot.  And since I know you love definitions so much:

big?ot ?? ?P???Pronunciation Key??(bgt)
n.
One who is strongly partial to one\'s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

[Zellgadess]

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker
you are being VERY ignorant, and have said some pretty messed up things to me.

haahahahhaha, that?s a good one, oh... your being serious.... *cough*

I share the same hate for people who fit that \"ignorant and greedy\" American stereotype, which you\'re doing a great job to place your self in.

But i forgive and forget, and get over the problems of the world. This isn?t getting any where, so lets be friends ^_^

No more arguing ok?

Edit: you posted before me, you like taking things the wrong way dont you? you can\'t see anything from anyone else\'s point of view. We\'re all in this world together so, get over it.

[Higan]

seytra, you said that you respect americans, though you said yourself you think rip is what all americans are, \"as it oozes through every metre of your countries borders.\" and in your opinion you think he\'s less than dirt, others do take offense by that, there is no stereotype of anythings, everyones different, and as for the idea of different servers, nothing could be better, as you said, people from different countries should interact, but thats kinda hard if they don\'t understand what people say and if some can speak more than one language, by all means they can just get on the other server, no big deal, but hey, your the person who loves the lag so much, go have fun staring at you 832  wasted posts

[Rip The Jacker]

Zellgadess: If you want to label me as the Stereotypical American, you can go ahead an do whatever you want.  But the truth is, you don\'t know a thing about me, and are running on your assumptions of how the world operates.  Let me guess, I love George Bush, right?  Let me guess, McDonalds is my favorite restaurant, right?  You have GOT to be kidding me.  Maybe if you stepped back, and actually looked at what you are posting, you will realize YOU are the one being completely close minded.

And if your way of \"getting along\" is disrespecting me and my ethnicity, then saying lets be friends, you have been reading too many of seytra posts.

[Stydracos]

No, to a U.S Based server -  The search button is your friend.

No, to a U.S Based server - Fragnetics has been loyal to PS as far as I can tell. It has provided hosting that must be excellent considering the devs have many options but have stuck with them.

No, to a U.S Based server - The current server is sufficent and unless you can guarentee a 100% free server, offering better pings and a company as commited to Hosting as Fragnetics then I see no reason to move.

No, to a U.S Based server - I\'ve found the current server to give a ping of 270-310, which is enough to play without much observable lag. I am 100% satisified with this current arrangement considering the build of PS no doubt still contains debug code and no doubt isn\'t optimised.

No, to a U.S Based server - The thing has only just truly begun, to up an move server would only add headaches to the entire community.

No, to a U.S Based server - I  live in Australia, so far I find connections to the US slower across many games.
I don\'t know how PS would cope, so this statement is about as useful as using NWN to judge benefits for PS server pings. However it stands to reason that if other games across genres off bad connection I see no difference here (and yes I\'m on cable, not dial up).

No, to a U.S Based server - Racial intolerance, and Intolerance in general. I have have found myself baffled by this one. I now avoid US servers for games now as I find them to be the most intolerent places. Maybe I\'m just unlucky I dont know this ones confusing, my lack of understanding for its occurance makes this one a bit hard to bring up properly.

No, to server segregation based on language - Why is this necessary? seems like a old solution to differences in people (not to mention a bit intolerant). Talk about surrounding yourself in a \"comfortable\" environment.
I love this aspect of PS, through PS and the blitzers I\'ve met a lot of great people from around the world. Sure we don\'t always understand each other 100% but thats apart of the atmosphere and getting to know such a varity of people is worth a bit of akward stumbling. If you don\'t like shouts in foreign tongues, well really the priority to fix this has to be the lowest part of the game . My advice ignore them... is it that hard? if you are address by someone in a foreign tongue to your own, use common sense and try to communicate that fact.

No, to splitting the community - See above I guess I\'ve answered this already. I\'d hate to see the community divided in anyway. However, maybe down the track some sort of  geographical linked gameworld would be a good idea.

@Rip The Jacker - Stop playing the victim. You are  equally bigoted in your depiction of Seytra as the newish sterotypical \"American hating European\". Interesting how you focus on this rather then on the arguement at hand which you seems to dodge around. I\'d almost go so far as to say you do so as you can\'t discredit what he says so would rather discredit him in the vain attempt it validates your inital points. Points that are incredibly weak in their benefit to PS (leaving the conclusion of personal gain an easy leap you know).

The difference I see between you and Seytra is he stays on topic and acknowledges his failings ( such as being angry) and for the most part is reasonable throughtout the discussion presenting himself up front.

Its very easy to attack someone when they are up front, it looked like he was explaining his actions; in a sense trying to take the venom out of his words so you could better understand his points (which you continue to ignore). Instead of acknowledging / realising this you capitalized on using it against him; I think you\'ve wronged him by doing that.

While I realise the forum format is in general a poor indication of character I can only comment on what I see. To me you come across as the artful topic dodger with a fair dose of arrogance. Always managing to avoid the sticky points in a discussion; aiming to discredit Seytra as if it validates your behaviour and arguements, and all the while maintaining you are \"right\".