Controversial Topics Thread

[JellyWerker]

Post them here. I got some starters:

1. Should God/the Bible/pledge of allegiance be allowed in public schools? I think so, not forced or anything, but it should be there. (This is kinda an american one.)

2. Is the death sentence realistic in modern times? I think that for \"bad\" criminals, it is.

3. Who is the greater mind: Einstein or Davinci?

Post away, maybe if there are enogh posts and new topics, it could be multiple threads or a subforum.

[faldrok]

1. Well, it doesn\'t bother me to say the Pledge of Allegiance, although I don\'t really believe in any religion at all, but it is ironic, no? I mean, back in the 1700s and the like, a lot of people came from England to the USA to have a freedom of religion. But, that freedom isn\'t really here in the schools where you say the pledge with the line \"...under God...\" But, as I said, it doesn\'t bother me.

2. Of course it is. I still believe in \"An eye for an eye.\" If you kill someone, you should be killed unless of course you are good enough to get away with it.

3. Out of the two you named, I would say Einstein. But, personally, I think Aristotle and Confucius were the greatest thinkers to ever live.

[Seytra]

1) Maybe schools should be classified based on their \"official\" religion so that people can choose? In schools that aren\'t aligned religion-wise, statements of affinity should be allowed, but they should be limited to personal range, i.e., no posters or speeches.
In all other schools, the official religion can be made more prominent, and the most basic things could be made mandatory, like if you pray each morning, then everyone should do so. However, it must be allowed to state other affections in the same way as in the unaligned schools, for everything else would be against the freedom of speech.

Originally posted by faldrok
2. Of course it is. I still believe in \"An eye for an eye.\" If you kill someone, you should be killed unless of course you are good enough to get away with it.

Well, I would also support it if there would be a way of reliably, without failure rate, prove their guilt. Without such a way, and seeing that quite many cases get re-evaluated years later, with different outcome. The risks of killing innocents is way too great. I find it sad, but currently we have absolutely no way of correcting the notorious criminals. Therefore we must get rid of them one way or another. There of course are special circumstances which make someone who isn\'t criminal kill someone, but I don\'t think we\'re talking about these. For someone who doesn\'t have very good reasons to mitigate the deed, there most definitely isn\'t any way to reform them.

Originally posted by faldrok
3. Out of the two you named, I would say Einstein. But, personally, I think Aristotle and Confucius were the greatest thinkers to ever live.

From what I see, Davinci. However, he made so many, and so well tought out inventions which are here today in almost the exact same form that it leads me to think that he in fact was a traveller through time. This would make him less great than Einstein.
Edit: Einstein created a great theory, but his complete disregard for other, less mainstream, theories, makes me a bit wary. I\'m afraid that there will be another theory that will be more universal and more based on the general ideas of the aether theory (yeah I know, it\'s quite a bad name of being pseudo-science), thereby essentially proving him wrong. This would be quite sad, because it would mean that his great intellect (and that can\'t be denied) has wasted it\'s precious resources to a great extent.

[Noctis Lamnia]

...

All of a sudden, I forgot all my controversial ideas.

>_<

Let me get back to you guys on that one...

[Efflixi Aduro]

1) No. It will encourage racism and seperation of groups.

2) Death centance is inhuman. No one in this world deserves to die. Its not somthing you can have again. (unless you belive in hindu stuff....)

3) There is no such thing a great mind. Just one who uses his mind more than almost everyone else.  Both had their own acomplishments.

Im sick of all theres wormhole, dead people, smart people, gay people etc. How bout we make the Plaza fun again and not depressing.

[Under the moon]

Fun, hmmm.  I will regail you with an amusing anecdote in a new thread.  A fun thread.  Look for it soon.

[Icefalcon]

Originally posted by Efflixi Aduro
1) No. It will encourage racism and seperation of groups.

Er, racism?  ?(

You all do know this thread will be closed as soon as a mod sees this. The mod\'s job is to prevent these \"controversal subjecs\" as all they do is turn into flamefests and pointless arguing.

[snow_RAveN]

1)Efflixi Aduro i dont get the racism and seperation of groups part of saying a pledge...
heck ive said my share of the national pledge in my school, and look there has been no racial trouble here in singapore since 1960-70 sumthing ...

and i dont think we can make this part of the fourms fun anymore as most of it is calassifed as spam like the \"3 word stroy\" and any attempts at posting something along that line is cut at the roots.

Not that iam complaining, but yeah it would be nicer if we laxed the rules abit for some goofing off and ribbing. ( heck, it beats talking about controversial topics which to my knowledge is instantly deleted or locked on most other fourms)


-edited for speeling bedly

[Under the moon]

Have some fun, post here--->Fun thread Laugh at yourself and others.  

I really don\'t see the point of these controversial topics anyhow.

OOOOUUW!  Controversial topics!  That IS a controversial topic.

[Foresteer]

Originally posted by JellyWerker
Post them here. I got some starters:

1. Should God/the Bible/pledge of allegiance be allowed in public schools? I think so, not forced or anything, but it should be there. (This is kinda an american one.)

2. Is the death sentence realistic in modern times? I think that for \"bad\" criminals, it is.

3. Who is the greater mind: Einstein or Davinci?

Post away, maybe if there are enogh posts and new topics, it could be multiple threads or a subforum.

1. you should be able to do whatever religious in school.. but not forced to do anything.. thats just stupid

2. depending if it is a brutal killer with no chance of rehabilitation and will maime and kill no matter what then yes send him on the after-journey bwahahah!

3. Davinci... einstien is way over-rated

[seperot]

2) death sentances are boring what should be implemented is more interesting punishments asideds getting a ticket..

for instance

Stealing something.:. first offence right hand cut off, second offence left hand cut off, 3rd offence legs cut off, any offence after that death.

Murder.:. on the stop fine of death

arson.:.  burnt at the stake

and so on. this would teach people to think twice

[Bardialus]

1) although it can lead to segregation a unified reading of something or other, which can help people become invariably linked to one another is a good thing...But if the practice of said things leads to ideas and opinions becoming forced and pushed onto people who disagree then that is wrong.
I personally believe that religion as a whole should play no part what so ever in the education of children...That is a matter for after school and should be left at the gate or doorway!

2) the death sentence has never been a realistic punishment, neither is any form of mutilation...If we start to use these punishments we are becoming as bad if not worse than those who committed the crimes in the first place.  No body does deserve to die as a punishment, If you want to see tickets being sold for that kinda thing, I recommend that you should be in their shoes and realise the horror of their predicament.  Neither should \'mob\' ruling where individuals throw their ideas into a group and gets them wound up enough so they hang the nearest \'look likely\' from a tree.  Im sorry but if we behave like that then we are regressing and entering the realms of animal mentalilty.

3) they both have their individual merits..in different topics.  They cant be put into the same realms of thought or schooling...Davinci or Leonardo yeah. But they still were different in their own ways again.

I think the question is who do you think?

[Arzosah]

Originally posted by JellyWerker
Post them here. I got some starters:

1. Should God/the Bible/pledge of allegiance be allowed in public schools? I think so, not forced or anything, but it should be there. (This is kinda an american one.)

2. Is the death sentence realistic in modern times? I think that for \"bad\" criminals, it is.

3. Who is the greater mind: Einstein or Davinci?

Post away, maybe if there are enogh posts and new topics, it could be multiple threads or a subforum.

1. I\'m not American, but I\'m going to give my opinion anyway
I think it should be allowed, but not obligated. If you don\'t beleive in God, why should you have to put your hand on the bible in court (to give just one example)?

2. No. I\'m against it. Who are you to judge who dies and who lives?

3. Hmm... I\'m gonna pass on this one ;-)

[Xordan]

2)

I think it\'s a worse punushment to sit in a cell for the rest of your life being bored non-stop. After 30 years of doing jack all, I\'d probably rather die than spend the next 40 years doing the same. Why do you think so many prisoners with full life sentances try to commit sudicide?

[Bardialus]

quick note: if in a court of law you can refuse to use a bible and ask for a book of law to used instead...this is in accordance to the bills and legislations been passed, which state an individual has the right to choose to believe or not.  Ive used it before and it went down like a bad smell in a spacesuit...But they couldnt refute evidence and so had to do what I wanted