To the people of Yliakum- a moral speech

[Harkin]

I have decided violenced is not the answer, won\'t our violence just bring more violence? We can\'t live here if our world is controlled by violence, there is only one thing we can do. We must make these \'delirious\' people feel unwelcomed, show them they are not well. We must make better or cast them out forever!

They shall either accept eduaction or be forced to imprisionment and banishment. We shall overcome and we shall only resort to the gods in extreme cases, we need to take matters in our own hands!

[Seytra]

OOC:

Originally posted by Sulatorc
What do you feel is the fundamental difference between RPers and RPGers? That is Role-Players and Role-Playing Gamers. Also what role does each have in the game of Planeshift, if any?

IMO, RPers are people whose main interest is RPing, i.e. those who rely almost completely on the communication aspect. They will occasionally do a quest or two, but can\'t be bothered to grind. They are the ones who will least mind missing content and missing features, because they don\'t rely on either. Usually, their RP is excellent.

Their role in PS will be the shaping of the social environment. They will also be found playing major roles in in-game politics. They may also be found being merchants and shopkeepers.

RPGers, if this actually is supposed to be more than just a term for \"everyone playing any sort of RPG\" would be people who rely heavily on the games functions and content, i.e., MOBs and quests. They, however, also engage in RP whenever they communicate with others. They will only be found grinding under very special circumstances, and only mildly. Their RP tends to be OK or good. I would classify myself as RPGer, by this definition.

Their role will mostly be found in the economy of the game. They will provide resources and craft items. They may also be found as travelling merchants.

Both IMO are player types who are acceptable in PS. However, the latter one will most likely not find appeal in the current version of PS, as it is still lacking most of what they rely on.

The people who aren\'t acceptable are these who see the game as obfuscated highscore table. To them, the only purpose is to become better than everyone else, in terms of measurable and comparable statistics and figures. They are number-junkies. They don\'t know about anything that doesn\'t help them become better, thus their RP is nonexistant.
Of these, a special sub-type is the 1337er, who, in addition to this, takes 1337 speak serious and actually thinks it gives some clout to them in addition to the highscore table. Usually, it\'s used by those low on the table.

However, I can\'t speak for anyone but myself, and also I may be wrong, so don\'t put this in a dictionary without further research!

IC: *looks at Watcher* I think this is a formidable idea. It could be used before a ban is placed upon them. However, I feel that it should take longer, probably hours. Therefore, let\'s not hang them, that\'s way too quick. Let us just put each of them into a small cage which is hanging from poles. This way, we don\'t have to kill them, while giving them valuable time to think about their lives. Also, they serve as the same example as the hanged would, just less fatal.

[confused]

OCC:

For the 1337 speakers and other strange so-called languages. Just ignore them, seeing most individuals would know of 1 or prehaps 2 languages normally.

For me and my female friend, we are rather the silent type, as the communication window is too large (taking up about 17% of the window, largest of all RPGs I have played) to have open all the time, especially when one is travelling in fangerous places. We use other means to communicate, such as Voice-Over-Internet software.

[Kiva]

Originally posted by Merdarion
OOC: Well do you really think that it would be good to have all those who want to RP leave cause of all the D00ds?!

Anyways Grono, you wont get me out so easily if thats your intention.

Just about everyone left the last time. What reason is there for them not to do it again? It\'s the same condition we\'re in. Lots of old players wanting to get rid of the new players. The devs wont help you, that\'s for sure. All you really can do is argue back and forward about how you want to get rid of the new people, but let\'s just face it as it is. The new people don\'t read these forums, and if they do, they don\'t give a horse\'s ass about what you old noob-omg-kthx people say about them. They have just about the same understanding of this world as a rock lying on the bottom of a bottomless well.

So either you guys pack up your gear and get ready to find some other game you can harass with your many words of wisdom, or you learn to live with the d00ds and the n00bs. They\'ll always be here, no matter how hard you try to hide it... You could, of course, just try to convert them. But that would require you to actually do something, and that sure does sound like a very, very horrible idea to me. Do something... Pff... So much for growing up in a world where everything is served on a silver plate, huh?

[Bardialus]

here here Gronomist! a voice of reason has finally struck through the mire.

To truly be that which we profess to being;  a fantastic world where you can live, gain glory, fall in love and relax, we must accept the inevitable.

Friends acquaintances and people listen to yourselves, heed the words you speak.

Hostility towards these people will only lead to resentment and hostility towards ourselves.  By not accepting these people for what they are or are not you become that which you stand to be against.
Your words of wisdom and insight may be pointless to them as not many will read the forums; this is true for many a n00b or d00d, but by showing them an example of how us people live and RP we set the standard higher.

Why fight pointless battles?  Why choose to be against newcomers...Thats the whole point of this place is it not?
To truly RolePlay you must as a character be willing to evolve, and the only way to do this is to realise that they are here and more are to come.  Progress is a good thing.
If you played any other form of open ended role play before you would have noticed that there are new chars being created all the time in order to test your characters strengths and weaknesses.

By resorting to openly admitting that you do not want them in the game you are neglecting the fact, that by encountering them you are showing restraint....you never know you might actually learn something from one of them.  Or is that just fantasy?

Just because they talk and act differently doesn\'t mean that you have to conform to them...Just by doing so means you have lowered yourself to their level and have shown very little consciousness towards who you are.  

If you bite they will strike.

If they need help and it is relevant then show compassion towards the newcomers and help them.  Ignoring a problem leads to deeper rooted ones.

If they challenge you do the right thing and decline, it doesnt make your char less of one.  It heightens the fact that you are above that and do not need to do it to be comfortable in who you are.

(Self importance leads to ignorance)

[warfo]

* warfo greets everyone

First of all, i would like to apologize, for I\'m new in this land and I know very little about its language and culture. I\'ll do my best.

Originally posted by Gronomist
The new people don\'t read these forums, and if they do, they don\'t give a horse\'s ass about what you old noob-omg-kthx people say about them. They have just about the same understanding of this world as a rock lying on the bottom of a bottomless well.

Reading things like these makes me sad. As always, there are good people and bad people and newbies are not the exception. But please, I beg you not to blame all of us. Even if the good ones are few.

Look...Before my arrival, i was looking for a nice place to stay. A place where I could spent my time finding new friends, partners and adventures,  learning some crafts, build my own house, maybe even raise a family! I was looking for my home and future.

Then someone told me about Yliakum, and I thought...That\'s what I\'m looking for! I spent days reading about it, about its people, its culture, its Gods...Everything! And I found it so exciting...Because it seemed like it was not only a place to live but a nice community of people with common goals. Seemed like they were very proud of the world they were raising, they were united, they enjoyed sharing their lives and helping each others.

And reading this thread I think...Where is that community? Why don\'t elder people help the new ones to find their way, to understand what is Yliakum and its rules instead of blaming them, hating them, chasing them, even if they don\'t know them?

Weren\'t you newcomers like them once upon a time?

I think most of newbies act like rats because they don\'t know what else they can do, or how to do something else. Because nobody helps them. And I don\'t mean you have to tell them what they have to do to get fast cash. I mean that maybe being friendlier, comprehensive with them you could make them feel like they\'re at home.

[Bardialus]

ah the voice of the community has begun.. if we are to be a community then we have to accept all.

Welcome Warfo. Peace upon you my friend

[Evest]

I think a lot of you are overreacting. In Luca\'s own words this is still a tech demo. The devs have stated that in order to thrive in PS you need to group and work together. Imagine you are newly arrived in PS with no money what do you do? How do you progress? It is very slow to get going, you have to kill rats ...but that is hard cos you have no training. So you try pkill..you soon find that that gets no experience. You wander around in a strange environment hoping that you wont get bullied by the strong (as often happens in other games). You are confused. lost ,lonely... I recently had a player challenge me to a duel..I declined.... 10 secs later he wanted to group with me. There is not much more in CB than there was in MB so role playing is not easy....so be tolerant ask the next player who challenges you why he wants to...you might be surprised by the answer. We are priviledged in that we found tha game early on, lets act as ambassadors...and try to put ourselves ion their position. Of cours there are havck and slash ppl out there but if the devs get it right and this is a community where we need to  work together they will soon get bored and leave...natural selection I beleive is the phrase

[Draklar]

Originally posted by warfo
Weren\'t you newcomers like them once upon a time?

Well you are newcomer so you wouldn\'t know that:
There are few people who shouldn\'t be asked that. Because they are old and grumpy and they\'ll answer that they were never new... Grono is one of them...

so be tolerant ask the next player who challenges you why he wants to...you might be surprised by the answer.

They never answer me >:|

[confused]

I simply just ignore the dualists. Though it can become quite annoying when they constantly ask to dual, especially those who like to carry two weapons and able to cast spells. More established characters have asked to dual than new comers.

[Evest]

More established characters have asked to dual than new comers.

Well perhaps they are just testing the game parameters or have an ego to fuel. Either way ask them why they want to kill you...thats what I do...and I get some surprising answers


And if you fell that nobody loves you Draklar I will challenge you to a duel next time we meet ingame

[Rallelalli]

First of all, Greetings to all, since I am a newcomer to this land of elite roleplayers and uneducated warriors.

 On my many, many years of wandering the lost and hidden lands, I have been searching for a place to settle and refine my skills in battle and mystic arts. Like my old friends, Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser, I too, look for adventure and the hope of something better.

 The stories and songs that I have heard about this amazing place led me to believe that here was a land of many races and many opportunities for a new life, one that no matter which road I took, I would be accepted. Not only accepted, but accepted with open arms. However, after listening to some of the elite here, I begin to wonder.

 Within my first minute of arrival, I was challeneged repeatedly by not one of the newcomers such as myself, but someone with advanced skills and knowledge. Without the opportunity to even look around the plaza, having to decline the challenge numerous times, I realized that I would have to move away from these people before I could look around, and so I did.
 
 As I explored the area, many questions came to my mind that the stories and songs made no mention of, so I thought maybe someone of greater learning would be so kind as to answer them. Much to my surprise, none would afford me the answers or offer to explain some of the finder points of the many wonders in this land. I was reduced to having to pray to the \"help gods\" for even the simplest thing, since noone in the general vicinity thought it was worth their time to reply, or if they did reply it was to tell me to pray to the \"help gods\".

 Just a thought, but would it not be wiser to help show the way to enlightenment for the newcomers and help them to understand that this is a world to live in and to live out the dreams that many of us have.

 I have listened to the many rants about how the newcomers are destroying the land that you love so much and I understand that you are concerned about it, but know this, the way to achieve true power is not to sit on it, but to share and let the power grow.

 I truly hope that I have not offended anyone, for that is not my intention, but only to offer the reasurance that not all newcomers are here to destroy, most are just uneducated about the customs and protocol, some are even here that will grow with the community to become a respected member if given the chance.

[Bardialus]

Originally posted by Rallelalli
 The stories and songs that I have heard about this amazing place led me to believe that here was a land of many races and many opportunities for a new life, one that no matter which road I took, I would be accepted. Not only accepted, but accepted with open arms. However, after listening to some of the elite here, I begin to wonder.

Just a thought, but would it not be wiser to help show the way to enlightenment for the newcomers and help them to understand that this is a world to live in and to live out the dreams that many of us have.

 I have listened to the many rants about how the newcomers are destroying the land that you love so much and I understand that you are concerned about it, but know this, the way to achieve true power is not to sit on it, but to share and let the power grow.

 I truly hope that I have not offended anyone, for that is not my intention, but only to offer the reasurance that not all newcomers are here to destroy, most are just uneducated about the customs and protocol, some are even here that will grow with the community to become a respected member if given the chance.

Couldn\'t have put it any better.  
So you see those of you who feel that newcomers do not know the etiquette of Planeshift, I think Rallelalli has shown a clear and concise understanding of this place.
It also shows the newcomers have more social grace than most \'reputedly\' wise and experienced players and members of this community.

If needs be create a \'law\' as such which prevents weapons from being carried openly.

Using unguided and misinformed morals will lead to mistakes being made, which could mean the difference between 1 and 100 good friends.

Welcome Rallelalli

[supergrover]

The venue is Kada\'s Tavern

Rain is not implemented yet.....  what are you a n00b?

[dimaq]

Originally posted by supergrover

The venue is Kada\'s Tavern

Rain is not implemented yet.....  what are you a n00b?

But we, the eldres, remeber rains of Meticular Blue - you youthlings beware! the good weathers befalling your lot so far are no evidence of the dark and wet ways of Laanx!