To the people of Yliakum- a moral speech

[Kwip]

Having thought and listened to the comments of others, I have realized that we have over-reacted a bit much.  Also we have let misunderstanding misguide us and those listening.  The ones we have labeled the \'cursed\' are those that are \'level upers\' and/or \'leet speakers\'.  Being new to a land has nothing to do with this.

These \'cursed\' hang around where they can get \'prey\' to help them level up, this also makes them feel superior.  A foreigner newly arrived, seeing these people, being chalanged by them, and hearing them, come to the conclusion that that is what this game is about.  They then emulate them, continue to find other people, or leave this land for another.

Those who have called this world home   for long, seeing the \'cursed\' form the conclusion that these are foreigners, for they abviously do not know the ways of the land.  Discusted they seek seclusion and in their mind label those who they see who are unfamiliar and do not talk but run about, as \'cursed\' and do not seek them out.

We need to embrace foreigners and not judge but educate them and accept them.  If then and only then do they start \'leet speaking\' and/or start challenging every one they see to a dual, then we can pass judgment on them.

I apologize most sincerly for not being fair to those new to this land in my earlier comments.  I greet all of you as brothers, or sisters, of this land.

[Draklar]

Well I just spent few hours in Hydlaa. And not even once have I met any of whom you speak of. Actually I had quite a nice time, as can be seen here.

[Harkin]

I myself never said anything about newcomers, I was just refering to those \'leet\' people who dont even try to role-play and just level and speak their funny language.

[Black_rose]

our once beutiful game is dying at a young age, the game that i have followed for a year, and that i have admired for the helpfull community and the nice game speed is now slowly turning more and more lagged up, we need some way to fight back! these ousiders! the l337ians must be delt with! we must find a way to convert or fight them for the save of our game, converting and reforming them into decent players should be preferred as to the alternate of deflecting them into other games, many games have been distroyed by their kind and planeshift is in the way of their conquest. we must stop the l337ians at all costs! all who are with me help me find a way, to help them by making them into at least a good player and at most a good person.

[Moogie]

Originally posted by Rallelalli
First of all, Greetings to all, since I am a newcomer to this land of elite roleplayers and uneducated warriors.

 On my many, many years of wandering the lost and hidden lands, I have been searching for a place to settle and refine my skills in battle and mystic arts. Like my old friends, Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser, I too, look for adventure and the hope of something better.

 The stories and songs that I have heard about this amazing place led me to believe that here was a land of many races and many opportunities for a new life, one that no matter which road I took, I would be accepted. Not only accepted, but accepted with open arms. However, after listening to some of the elite here, I begin to wonder.

 Within my first minute of arrival, I was challeneged repeatedly by not one of the newcomers such as myself, but someone with advanced skills and knowledge. Without the opportunity to even look around the plaza, having to decline the challenge numerous times, I realized that I would have to move away from these people before I could look around, and so I did.
 
 As I explored the area, many questions came to my mind that the stories and songs made no mention of, so I thought maybe someone of greater learning would be so kind as to answer them. Much to my surprise, none would afford me the answers or offer to explain some of the finder points of the many wonders in this land. I was reduced to having to pray to the \"help gods\" for even the simplest thing, since noone in the general vicinity thought it was worth their time to reply, or if they did reply it was to tell me to pray to the \"help gods\".

 Just a thought, but would it not be wiser to help show the way to enlightenment for the newcomers and help them to understand that this is a world to live in and to live out the dreams that many of us have.

 I have listened to the many rants about how the newcomers are destroying the land that you love so much and I understand that you are concerned about it, but know this, the way to achieve true power is not to sit on it, but to share and let the power grow.

 I truly hope that I have not offended anyone, for that is not my intention, but only to offer the reasurance that not all newcomers are here to destroy, most are just uneducated about the customs and protocol, some are even here that will grow with the community to become a respected member if given the chance.

I would thoroughly agree with you friend, but you speak of the very same people we speak of. Those \"highly skilled\", and those sitting in the Plaza, are none of us. Those are the ones that spend all day slaughtering vermin or ignoring everyone around them because they\'re too busy thinking about slaughtering vermin. Thus it would seem you agree, these people are bad for our society.

[Bardialus]

They are part of our society, even though the setting is RP the fact remains that there are different level of society.

Once they learn that there is a different way to RP\'ing rather than concentrating on levelling up etc, they will realise that the RP side to our community is completely different and far more detailed than just killing things and challenging people.

I can remember MB and the environment which allowed differently types of people in, just because the guidelines and RP abilities have become more developed doesnt mean that the social guidelines should be changed to exclude all types of player.

Some people join the community because they can fight things, leave them be.  
If you choose to join them in fights thats your choice.  The language is funny, its enlightening that even in RP different languages can be found.

Ah well I suppose that must mean diversity eh?

[Black_rose]

i do not mind l337 speak, but the people who talk in it in game are generally the ones who beg, and are uneducated. they normally are not the brightest spark from the fire

[seperot]

stop being cry babys like grono and saying \"oh theres no point noone will help us like before\" yea possibley because you all had that additude then too. i say we carry on like normal...they wanna fight we give em a good once over. expecting the gods to help you in the first place is stupid and utterly futile. just go out there and do your own damage to them and dont simper in a corner waiting for someone to help you.

*seperot walks off grabbing the head of a n00b on his way out and smashing it againced the bricks*

[Sulatorc]

Originally posted by Bardialus
They are part of our society, even though the setting is RP the fact remains that there are different level of society.

Actually this game was touted as a mmoRPG. I also did not see anything in the Player\'s Guide or this website that explicitly state that i must RP while in the game. Although i did not specifically look for that.

You will see why i asked the differences between a RPer and RPGer. I believe that RPGers encompass all people and their playing style who play role playing games. My line of thinking is that RPers are just a part of all RPGers. I also believe that any game, Monopoly to Planeshift, can be role played. Some may disagree and get frustrated when a person doesn\'t do as they wish. Hence topics such as this one.

As i said in the Anti-d00d topic, I believe a game that has many different styles playing the game it will be better off than one that has only one or two. This game is no different.

Originally posted by Black_rose
but the people who talk in it in game are generally the ones who beg,

Ahh..now i have come across a few of them. I would just help them to a point or just ignore them.

[dragonfire999]

*lays back in her chair watching the amazing dispute*

I believe to end this now we must show punishment
The exiles be sent to a training facility, upon the outskirts of our fair city.
A moderator has the power to send them there
the /spawn key key will not work!

They must succesfully undergo training by a moderator, when the moderator feels it nessesary she/he my send the exile  to Hydlaa to live and prosper among the fair citizens of our city

lays back once more to watch the dispute

[Monketh]

The Guardsmen of the realm are too few to give such training by themselves.  It would have to be contracted out to those dusty-eared shopkeepers, and I doubt they\'d agree to any reasonable bargain.

[Harkin]

What we would need is a militia to control the threat. Who wants to start the Hydlaa Militia?

[confused]

Originally posted by Moogie
Those are the ones that spend all day slaughtering vermin or ignoring everyone around them because they\'re too busy thinking about slaughtering vermin. Thus it would seem you agree, these people are bad for our society.

I have to disagree with you here Moogie. These people are not bad for society, all they doing is killing rats so they can begin starting a decent living at least as a miner (well not many careers are implimented yet). But before a pixaxe is SO expensive, needing 100 trias to get the basic model, that is having to kill 15 rats before one can get an axe. No wonder the people done in the dark sewers are very moody, especially when there is not enough rats to go around. I alone have spent more than 11 hours of real time looking for and killing rats, and still have 5 rats to go before I can get enough money to buy a pickaxe. Besides all the dying I do at the same time which wastes a lot of time.

Now with the world wipe, where all the characters are going to be erased and everyone is going to start off with nothing. The rats definitely is not going to be enough, thus instead of 11 hours it can easily take more than 20 hours this time to get 100 trias, because everyone is going to be in the sewers trying to kill rats. This event is surely going to make people very grumpy, especially for new players who do not know where to start, etc (the starting example of getting gold quest is silly, because you can\'t do it until you have a pickaxe. Instead the starting example should be go to the sewers and kill rats)

[Efflixi Aduro]

Hmm, I think I found a good solution.  What if we lik double the amount of in game mods and the mods could then be almost everywhere. Then Ube3r 1337 N0082 could learn a lesson or two. And I don\'t mean banning. I mean go to them, give a through explanation of how the game SHOULD work. And flash your MOD card at them   Then, if they refuse, you ban em

[lynx_lupo]

FIX! >:|
http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=12916&boardid=18

And like golbez said, if someone challenges you the first time he sees you, ignore him, but if he greets you, have a chat.