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[Draklar]

To himself probably... He\'s old and infirm... that is to be expected

[druke]

In conclusion, I would like to sum all of this up. Yes, a 20-year-old mage can be wise/knowledgable/good at magic, but he, in no way, can act like an 80-year-old mage with all that knowledge under his belt. I was also going to say something else, but I went to the store when I was about halfway done with this post, so I forgot. If I remember, I will edit the post...

I believe what Faldrok says (and what you obviously miss, Annah) is that knowledge and wisdom come with age. You just don\'t see young people showing knowledge and maturity of the elders, before the old people became wise, they probably went through years and years of apprenticeship themselves. No one is born old, but in same way no one is born wise.

i mean are you refering to RL age or RP\'d age

[Phinehas]

I think they\'re referring to RPed age. It\'s still wrong though, because it\'s actually great RP to play a young mage who thinks he knows everything. That\'s what it\'s like in real life, after all....

[Draklar]

Oh really? Because in the other RPGs I played, when it came to apprenticeship to become a mage it wasn\'t like
\"All right, on your first day of apprenticeship you will learn the fireball spell!\"
But rather like
\"Bring me that! No wait, bring me the thing over there! And throw away this thing, what is it doing here anyway?! Wash the floor! Quit slacking off, you still have dishes to do!\"
Which resulted in the fact that young mages weren\'t able to use amazingly devastating powers

[Phinehas]

Well, I can\'t speak for the others, but Phinehas never really apprenticed under anyone per se, so he got straight down to business. Even if he had apprenticed, it would have been when he was like 13, so he\'d be way past that now. Besides, he has yet to cast anything that\'s particularly fantastic.

By the way Drak, speaking of RP. You might explain to us how a tree-hugging bard pretends to know more of magic than actual mages.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Phinehas
Well, I can\'t speak for the others, but Phinehas never really apprenticed under anyone per se, so he got straight down to business. Even if he had apprenticed, it would have been when he was like 13, so he\'d be way past that now. Besides, he has yet to cast anything that\'s particularly fantastic.

Yea, in those games magic was usually such a complicated force that you couldn\'t learn it by yourself. PS is different though

Originally posted by Phinehas
By the way Drak, speaking of RP. You might explain to us how a tree-hugging bard pretends to know more of magic than actual mages.

Well for one thing Drak was studying magic before Phinehas made his first steps in this world
Second, noticed how all those tree-hugging people in other worlds understood magic better than other tribes? Instead of reading the books, they lived by magic and magic lived in them.
Third, I\'m not a simple bard, but also a philosopher. I hold the understanding of people\'s minds. Even if my powers may not be devastating, I still may understand things better than many commoners.

In other words, I stop and think instead of changing my thought into a weapon of mass destruction.

[Leiraine]

Originally posted by Draklar
...in the other RPGs I played, when it came to apprenticeship to become a mage it wasn\'t like
\"All right, on your first day of apprenticeship you will learn the fireball spell!\"
But rather like
\"Bring me that! No wait, bring me the thing over there! And throw away this thing, what is it doing here anyway?! Wash the floor! Quit slacking off, you still have dishes to do!\"

You obviously haven\'t talked to AO apprentices properly...

[Phinehas]

Really Drak, I\'m surprised at you. Surely you of all people would understand that magic is a complicated force, and that not everyone can learn it. However, when one has a special gift for it, and has dedicated one\'s life to the study of it, and has access to a library, and a teacher to start one off on his journey, then it is possible to master a few simple spells. This is all Phinehas has done really, he has great power, but lacks the ability to wield it. 13 years of study is already a decent amount for one so young.

You talk of mages in general as if they were commoners who all of a sudden know magic, too. They\'re not, they\'re men and women who have dedicated their lives to the study of magic. So it is not all that uncommon for them to master a few spells. Of course, if someone was summoning creatures after only a few days of study, then yes, that would be unrealistic, but I have yet to see this happen.

Quite frankly, I think that your knowledge of the Arcane is worse RP than ours. If you know so much of magic, then you probably know a lot about everything else too. How is that worse than powerlevelling?

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Phinehas
Quite frankly, I think that your knowledge of the Arcane is worse RP than ours. If you know so much of magic, then you probably know a lot about everything else too. How is that worse than powerlevelling?

Quite frankly, your opinion on this holds little meaning for me
Ever seen works of philosophers who also have knowledge of physics? They often appear more open minded and understanding than the scientists who studied physics for far more time, even if they\'ll never construct a world-changing device. How about philosophers who studied theology? They may know less about speciffic religions, but will catch the flaws that narrow-minded priests refuse to accept.
In same way my char who studies magic, can\'t cast amazingly powerful spells, but at least he has deeper knowledge of what the magic truly is.
If you say this is bad RP, see the first sentence

Anyway, I don\'t think Druke or anyone else wants this topic to carry on, so I\'ll better shut up

[Phinehas]

Originally posted by Draklar
Quite frankly, your opinion on this holds little meaning for me

Good let\'s just leave it at that then.

Anyway, I don\'t think Druke or anyone else wants this topic to carry on, so I\'ll better shut up

You\'re probably right. Let\'s go spam someone else\'s thread, shall we?

[Under the moon]

Like mine.

Seems as if one of your world famous arguments form Kada\'s has spilt in the guilds forum to me.

I agree with Draklar that many young apprentices know more about carrying water than magic, but I also agree that some may be born with the natural ability and need no great training, such as Phinehas. Others may have been imparted directly with the knowledge, with no learning at all, such as I, though I have no magic abilities of my own (except one, but it\'s not really magic, more of a transfer of energies).

I also agree that Drak thinks he knows too much.

[Phinehas]

Heh heh, I the more you post, the more I like you, Undermoon.

I\'d have to say that people like Lalaith and Leiraine are your more typical apprentices. And in fact, if you read some of the stories in the AO, you\'ll seet that they did have more of an apprentice idea like you described. Phinehas is different, and I don\'t know anyone other than him who is doing what Drak\'s accusing of.

[Xordan]

Beh, I know the most about magic so there

[elscouta]

Cheater, you are a member of the rule team

[druke]

Arcane-Order is proud to announce yet another new recuit.

Everyone please welcome Seluna to our ranks, she will be joining our ranks as apprentice under myself.