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[Valbrandr]

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[Valbrandr]

The second URPS meeting concluded yesterday... I have some bad news for everyone:  The Dark Empire is no longer an active member but a Supporter of the URPS and Sangwa is staying with us and currently is the Protector of the Realm.  

Some good news is that we ratified the Constitution and Raven Guard has joined us as well.  Our next meeting will be in two weeks and we are going to start promoting this Organization.  So if any guilds Old or New want to join the alliance then please either post here or join our forum...

         http://plexus.shacknet.nu/ps/index.php

Thank you

[lynx_lupo]

So if any guilds Old or New want to join the alliance then please either post here or join our forum...

Sloppy tttt. Even you admit it\'s only an alliance.

[Valbrandr]

Not that I have to defend my words... but I often use Alliance and Organization interchangably.  

\" Some good news is that we ratified the Constitution and Raven Guard has joined us as well. Our next meeting will be in two weeks and we are going to start promoting this Organization. So if any guilds Old or New want to join the alliance then please either post here or join our forum... \"

We are obviously something greater than a simple alliance.  For one we have a Constitution.... but if there are any questions look at what we have done and decide for yourself.

[Phinehas]

Originally posted by Valbrandr
We are obviously something greater than a simple alliance.  For one we have a Constitution.... but if there are any questions look at what we have done and decide for yourself.

And what\'s that?

[Annah]

Ok, Bardialus once said in this thread:

The term Alliance: the state of being joined or assosciated; an agrrement made between countries or organisations to work together; a relationship or connection.

 Read carefully, because these words contains a truth, that maybe is not known to many. \"Alliance\" is a simple word, that can be interpretated in many ways. You choose to give its meaning. It\'s all in our mind ...

 You see, we already stated what it means for us, and we kinda don\'t care if others come here and tell other things. Ok?

 Just remember this is an organization you join to benefit.

 Stop \"manipulating\" words, and take them the way they are explained.

 And the Dark Empire has left the organization, because its views didn\'t seem to fit in URPS\' ideas anymore. But that doesn\'t mean they will not support it, an example being Sangwa, who still has his positions. Also, the other member of the Dark Alliance is still in ...

 To end this ... we are waiting your applications to join URPS. Wait no more, you only have to benefit from it

 Thanks,
 Annah

[Phinehas]

I repeat, what have you done?

The Dark Empire left? You lost the only guild that had any real influence, and you expect to be taken seriously?

[seperot]

*Seperot coughs and grins knowing what annah said about the DE isent strictly true*

obviusly i cant put my opinions down because my posts get scooped up here quickly so insted i\'ll just echo what Phinehas just said

p.s. also annah dont you think writing in big red letters is a little suspicious to why you want people to join

[Annah]

Each guild that is involved in URPS is equal. We treat everyone the same way. We didn\'t loose our gods, we lost one of our members.

 Though, lost is not the right word to be used, because DE still supports it, through Sangwa, which is a very devoted member of URPS.

 And everything I have said about the DE is true. Don\'t agree with it? To speak the truth, I really don\'t care ...

 A few people is not the whole Planeshift community, never forget this.

 I wonder why I want people to join? Maybe because in time, joining the organization won\'t be so simple. That\'s all.

[Draklar]

I think the point is you lost the only member which was somewhat respected outside of URPS...

[seperot]

Originally posted by Annah
And everything I have said about the DE is true. Don\'t agree with it? To speak the truth, I really don\'t care ...

 A few people is not the whole Planeshift community, never forget this.

then why are you so adimant that URPS is the way to go when that is hardly the whole ps community?

secondly the fact that you guys are begging for people to join shows that perhaps its not its cracked up to be... surely if its realy benifical to all DE wouldent have left it. surely you wouldent have to ask as people would be lineing up to get in the URPS

and to finish...

A few people is not the whole Planeshift community, never forget this.

[Valbrandr]

The main point is this: That we have 8 guilds from Kadas List out of 31 in the Organization.  All of them were voted to be there.  And why belittle these guilds?  Sangwa is still with us... and DE is still a Supporter of the URPS.  But we have to move on.  We still have 9 guids in all... and we are still growing.  Are recruiting is going quite well but I do not disclose who may be close to joining out of respect for those guilds.  After this point please do not spam our thread or continue personnal attacks.  It does not help anyone... not the URPS or yourselves.  In one way or another we must coexist because the URPS will never die as long as we keep fueling it.  We have already done more than any other trying to accomplish the same goal.  It will work this time.

One last issue:

Sep \"secondly the fact that you guys are begging for people to join shows that perhaps its not its cracked up to be... surely if its realy benifical to all DE wouldent have left it. surely you wouldent have to ask as people would be lineing up to get in the URPS\"

If most of us had been here a year or two than sure it would be very easy to get people.  But the reason  we are asking people and the reason I talk to leaders about it in game is because we want everyone to get involved.  We will not disclude anyone who is serious about joining or supporting.  This is not a game that we are playing.. we want to enhance the experience for all players.  It adds to the role playing and it brings together the community and cuts down the divisions.  

[Induane]

First off:  Yes, losing the Dark Empire as an official member of the URPS was indeed a blow. This is an undenyable fact.  They are, as many have pointed out, a well respected and influental guild.

Originally posted by Phinehas:

The Dark Empire left? You lost the only guild that had any real influence, and you expect to be taken seriously?

I find that sort of derogatory towards the other guilds.  Saying that non of the others have any real influence is, in my opinion, rude.  Just because a guild is new, or small, doesn\'t mean they have influence.  Influence where? Over the other guilds? Over development? Over the forums?  How do you get influence?  There can be no true influence with out true power.  Perhaps credibility is a better word in this case...It takes time for a guild to establish credibility, and prove they aren\'t a flash in the dark - that they are in it for the long haul.  We want newer guilds in the URPS - we want older Guilds in the URPS.  We want to be inclusive, not exclusive.  Anyways, many of the members are also listed at Kada-Els tavern.  This doesn\'t PROVE anything beyond that they have been seen as credible.  

There will always be guilds that come and go.  Some because they have a problem with what we are doing since it is completely impossible to make everyone happy.  Some will for personal reasons not related to the URPS, some will fade out of existance, but others will stay, and new guilds will take their place.  It is the way of things.  Change is inevitable - unavoidable - necessary.  If the DE did not think that their guild\'s goals matched what we wanted to accomplish, then they did the right, respectable thing and withdrew honorably, taking care to inform us that it wasn\'t anything we (the urps) did.  They didn\'t try to make a bid deal with it, or publicly denouce us in any way.  Nothing wrong with that - these things will happen.  

Still, one guild isn\'t the whole URPS, and with the exception of Sangwa, the DE wasn\'t really that active in the URPS anyway, other than having their name in the list.    There will always be naysayers, people who have nothing  better to do than run down others ideas, and criticize.  This accomplishes nothing, and is basically a waste of time.  

We aren\'t begging anyone to join the URPS, we are encouraging them and asking for their support.  This is what will make the URPS successful.  

The URPS will never die as long as we keep fueling it.

Yep! We are here to stay.

[Icefalcon]

Originally posted by Annah
you only have to benefit from it

Am I missing something here?

I am a member of the Council, but remain inactive because I really don\'t see why I will benefit from this. Could you please sum up in a sentace or two what exactly you plan on doing in practice, in game, that will bring any benefit to its members, or the community for that matter.

If all you plan on doing is get together and have these cool little meetings that make you feel important, or walk around the streets bearing the name of \"URPS\" for the sake of bearing the name of \"URPS,\" I don\'t see why I should stick around.

You apear to be like the UN. A joke... A group that is all talk, no action.

[Valbrandr]

I will try to explain in a less rude way then you have just asked the question:

First, if you attended either of the meetings that we had you would know that we just ratified the Constitution and have finally set everything up.  That is the first step.

Second, if you had been to the meetings you would know that the URPS division, Merchants of the Claw (Headed by Bloodclaw Inc.), said that members of the URPS will get price discounts on weapons and items when the time comes for shops.  Not to mention loans to guilds.

Third, if you had been at the meetings you would know that we have set up a Militia and we, as a group can help one another in guild wars with troops and money.  Also as negotiators.

Those are just two benefits from being in the URPS... not to mention depending on how it evolves there could be missions for Mercenaries later.  If you have any good ideas on how we could help everyone bring it to the Our forum. Any member who is not satisfied is free to leave.  If people are hanging around in the URPS not particapating, nay saying, and just waiting for it to benefit them, then I think I speak for everyone when saying you are not needed.    If you want to be involved and help mold this idea then we are hear with open minds and open hearts.

In addition... Any other member from the URPS, please send myself a PM or post on our forum ... I am tired of having to defend ourselves here..

And I want to thank all of our supporters for standing behind us.