The Age of the Klyros Has come!

[warfo]

It\'s really a great model! I love the wing movements while walking, and the detailed textures...

Thanks!

[Phinehas]

It\'s... it\'s amazing.

*Sings \"I\'m a believer\".*

[buddha]

I don\'t suppose anyone has an ETA on the Xacha...?  I\'m a bit tired of looking like and extra from Conan The Barbarian.  The nice thing is, everywhere I go there\'s a handsome man staring me in the face.


Hey, when you got your new skin, were you able to do the customisation for eye color, etc?  That wasn\'t implemented when I started.

[Phinehas]

Originally posted by buddha
I don\'t suppose anyone has an ETA on the Xacha...?  I\'m a bit tired of looking like and extra from Conan The Barbarian.  The nice thing is, everywhere I go there\'s a handsome man staring me in the face.

You think it\'s hard for you? Imagine what it\'s like trying to pretend being a Lemur when you\'ve got long blonde hair.

[buddha]

You\'re a Lemur?!  Your daddy must have been horrified! I\'ll be your momma got smacked!

[Mr. Dave]

Originally posted by Icefalcon
Oh... wow...
I am honestly speachless. It looks so... real. Except for the eyes, no pupils. But that is amazing. Amazing...

*walks off with his eyes glazed over*

...amazing...

Whaddaya mean, no pupils? Obviously it\'s a reptile, obviously it has those nictitating-membrane-inner-eyelid thingies, and obviously it blinked just as Jose took the pic!

/me drools in admiration

[Lutz]

if you look closely, the pupils are white.

[Seytra]

Pfft! If anyone would have read the Klyros race description, you would have read that they have \"white, droplike eyes\". (Sorry for not quoting from the main site, since it is down ATM). And that\'s what I see here: exactly as described.

As for the model: I\'m speechless. OK, that doesn\'t matter as I\'m typing here , so: \"I\'m awed by the awesomeness of this\" is what I second. One :tup:, since more would be spamming. OK, one more, since this is well worth it: :tup:

WOW!

I have been waiting for that, and absolutely 100% have not expected this anywhere closer than several months in the future!

[Icefalcon]

Originally posted by Seytra
Pfft! If anyone would have read the Klyros race description, you would have read that they have \"white, droplike eyes\". (Sorry for not quoting from the main site, since it is down ATM). And that\'s what I see here: exactly as described.

Ok, you\'re right. They are faint, I didn\'t even notice them at first. However, there should physiologically be a disticnt black center (pupil). The pupil is actually a hole to allow light to enter the eye. It\'s impossible to have a white \"hole,\" unless... er, light is actually coming out of the eye itself.  :rolleyes:

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Icefalcon
The pupil is actually a hole to allow light to enter the eye. It\'s impossible to have a white \"hole,\" unless... er, light is actually coming out of the eye itself.  :rolleyes:

Yes, I have been speculating about that as well, although there would not have to be light to be generated by the eye, it just has to be reflected uniformly over the spectrum. Therefore, an eye could be made to be at least \"whitish\" (light gray) if:
1) the retina-equivalent would be much much more sensitive compared to a human eye
2) the back of the eye would have a reflective layer, like cat\'s eyes
3) the pupil was replaced by the entire eye, letting in light from the entire surface, but less per surface quantity
4) the inner eye would need to be more complex than the human eye in order to provide focusing ability, which is an absolute must, considering both diving and flying. Therefore, greater complexity would be required to achieve this objective anyway, as the human eye\'s focusing ability isn\'t very good (no zooming, for example, and long distance view isn\'t very detailed as well)

In fact, I think it is very reasonable to have the retina-equivalent be way more sensitive, because it needs to see underwater as well, and there is only very few light. Therefore, I think that the eyes will become clear (and thus black) when underwater or in the dark (which won\'t be visible due to lack of light). The bigger entry area has the additional benefit of allowing more light to get in (the same reason why the \"conventional\" pupil widens in the dark).

I think that a flash of light will have devastating effects on the Klyros\' eyes when administered in the dark, for this reason.
Edit2: this in fact is, AFAICS, the nightvision from the settings page, not Infravision, as I thought Nightvision was going to be explained as.

[Icefalcon]

Originally posted by Seytra
1) the retina-equivalent would be much much more sensitive compared to a human eye

Ok...

2) the back of the eye would have a reflective layer, like cat\'s eyes

I don\'t see how that would change anything. A cat\'s pupil is still black, it just reflects light in the dark.

3) the pupil was replaced by the entire eye, letting in light from the entire surface, but less per surface quantity

So... the entire eye is like one big hole? That would seem to leave the eye very vulnerable and weak. I don\'t think it could focus very well either.

4) the inner eye would need to be more complex than the human eye in order to provide focusing ability, which is an absolute must, considering both diving and flying. Therefore, greater complexity would be required to achieve this objective anyway, as the human eye\'s focusing ability isn\'t very good (no zooming, for example, and long distance view isn\'t very detailed as well)

I agree with you there.


These are just my thoughts, you may very well be right.

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Icefalcon

2) the back of the eye would have a reflective layer, like cat\'s eyes

I don\'t see how that would change anything. A cat\'s pupil is still black, it just reflects light in the dark.

By itself, it won\'t. However, I think that the eye\'s outer skin has the ability to shade itself, like silver nitrate. Instead of absorbing the light, it would reflect it, like a sheet of paper. This way, the translucense of the outer skin would vary with the amount of ambient light, replacing the iris action of closing / opening the pupil of the human eye.
(X)]

Legend:
( : the translucent, reflective whitish outer skin
X : inner workings of the eye, providing focusing and whatever
) : retina equivalent
] : reflective layer

The reflective layer would add to light perception and therefore require the outer skin to be less translucent when \"urface\" levels of ambient light are present, thus indirectly adding to whitishness.

Originally posted by Icefalcon

3) the pupil was replaced by the entire eye, letting in light from the entire surface, but less per surface quantity

So... the entire eye is like one big hole? That would seem to leave the eye very vulnerable and weak. I don\'t think it could focus very well either.

I don\'t think it\'d be more vulnerable than the human eye, as the hole would not be a real hole, but instead a layer made from clear material, like the lense of the human eye. It would also be covered by an extra layer of skin (the whitish stuff) that serves to protect it. Furthermore, it will even be less affected by damage, as the \"active\" surface is larger so that even a scratch that covers the entire center area wouldn\'t, unlike a human eye, render it completely useless as undisturbed light will still be coming in from the remaining, quite large, area. Greater redundancy, if you wish to call it that.
Of course, such a damage will still take it\'s toll when there is les light available, i.e., weakening Nightvision.

Originally posted by Icefalcon
These are just my thoughts, you may very well be right.

I\'m just trying to guess what the settings team had in mind. I may be quite off.

[nukemeshi]

ok, just offlandish, but... what if there is not supposed to be no logicle explanation? what if it\'s just IS? ever thought of that? gosh, you guys have NO IMAGINATION WHATSOEVER!!!! anyone would know that ANYTHHING is possible, just like the way too thin layer of skin of the wings can propell the too heavy for body weight of the muscle form of a klyros, not to mentoin the fat and the skeleton!!!!

All in all, FIND A LOGICAL EXPLAINATION TO THE WINGS!!!! FORGET THE PUPILS, which your explainations do make perfect sense, at least, to me... and my eye has been scratched and it did render  it useless, so i know how that is, and with the recent explaination of how it wouldn\'t render the klyros blind makes me love them EVEN MORE!!!

so.. how do you like a eleven year old making you look like fools... almost...whatever, I JUST WANT TO PLAY THE GAME!!!

[Icefalcon]

Originally posted by nukemeshi
so.. how do you like a eleven year old making you look like fools...

Uh, who is looking like a fool? :rolleyes:

Klyros aren\'t magical creatures, so the \"Its magic\" explaination doesn\'t work, therefore, we have to find scientific solutions instead.

FIND A LOGICAL EXPLAINATION TO THE WINGS!!!!

The wings have been discussed in length already. Run a search, I\'m sure you can dig it up if you really want to know...

you guys have NO IMAGINATION WHATSOEVER!!!!

Even if we explained every part of the Klyros scientifically, its still just a figment of our imagination. Have you ever seen a Klyros in real life?

I JUST WANT TO PLAY THE GAME!!!

I don\'t think our discussion is preventing you from playing the game. You\'re the one who read this thread.

[nukemeshi]

fine, you win...