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« Reply #75 on: February 13, 2005, 03:35:52 am »
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Actually I said how it is against setting. All I am asking for is to make an argument against it instead of saying \"thats just a load of crap\".
Is that really too much to ask?


Observation/Opinion: Actually the setting is that all of the races who travelled to Yliakum came through portals from many different places, none of the current races were originally in Yliakum.  Therefore the setting of Planeshift could constantly be changed.  The Vampiric race could have travelled through a yet undiscovered portal.  

Opinion:  Role playing is playing a role in a world.  Not every person is a happy-go-luck run-of-the-mill character.  There are anomalies, plagues, so on.  Have you ever played a Pen and Paper RPG and found out at a later date that something was not as it appeared?

Aye, I didn\'t read Lymic\'s post.
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« Reply #76 on: February 13, 2005, 07:30:15 am »
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@seperot : i can see your concern but when you start to think of it Planeshift already has cat people, elves and dwarfs these are also part of \"pop\" culture to.
You mean you noticed any resambles between PS elves and \"pop culture\" elves besides pointy ears? :P


Clover: My statement was that with curent setting it\'s impossible to become undead because of disease/curse. Depth answered that, saying that... not all vampires are undead?
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« Reply #77 on: February 13, 2005, 08:14:55 am »
Draklar I know you will dislike the idea, but there are other ways to get out of Death Realm. I am sure that skilled necromancers (well I have my experiences in that kind of magic) can connect a portal from the world to the realm of death,

So they surely can grab a wandering soul and pluck them into  a dead body, reuniting Body and Soul without the Life Energy (because this energy is not easily summoned after it left)

and the lack of the same energy could have \"side effects\", something is needed to keep both body and mind together, for the normal vampires it would be common blood (through which some life energy flows), beside from that the lack of life energy kind-of negates the process of aging (were nothing is  nothing can leave) or better said that they are aging when they do not feast and get younger again after drinking blood, but when they dont get any blood over a certain ammount of time they will \"starve\"

Well my position is a different of course, for I am living, and when I dont feast I will end up as millenia old crippled elf without any sense, but I wont \"starve\" or die in any other way, because of the small stream of live energy that is \"glued\" to me, and of course I dont have to feed on the blood because I have the ability to suck in freed live energy.


OOC: I hope that I have given a \"unique\"-enough description to stop this pointless argument.

(Yeah I know that it has a touch of Legacy of Kain)
I want to be a flame, to crumble to ash, but never ever burnt.

I want to rise higher, rise up to the heavens, but sink, just sink down deeper and deeper into nothing,

I want to be an angel, a chosen, a devil, but I am just a creature that ever wants what it wont get.


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« Reply #78 on: February 13, 2005, 08:23:45 am »
I\'m not talking about going out of death realm. Once you get in your soul is healed, so...

Edit: Oh and I would actually like the idea if \'twas dealt like by Syzerian. Until now I only knew there\'s something dark about him, never knew \'tis anything near vampirism. Aka roleplayed well. Instead I see vampire wannabes who make blood-drinking rituals in taverns or announce themselves to the whole world. Now I would approve it if \'twas some kind of underground organisation that only members know about. For others \'twould be rumors at best.

This however sounds like an invite for people like Taser who think role playing vampire is some kind of privilege and those who think being vampire makes you \"kewl\".
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« Reply #79 on: February 13, 2005, 09:18:39 am »
I was giving my opinion how undeath could work. And after being sticked to another body getting into death realm would be as a soul of that body and not of an former one.

And yes Draklar, if you count me as a vampire than not all vampires are undead.
I want to be a flame, to crumble to ash, but never ever burnt.

I want to rise higher, rise up to the heavens, but sink, just sink down deeper and deeper into nothing,

I want to be an angel, a chosen, a devil, but I am just a creature that ever wants what it wont get.


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« Reply #80 on: February 13, 2005, 09:29:14 am »
What I find funny is that \"Dark Haven\" was the name of the largest vampire (Well, it was \'vampyre\', but that\'s a long story...) guild in the last graphical game I spent five years on..

If history repeats itself... eesh.

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« Reply #81 on: February 13, 2005, 10:05:56 am »
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@seperot : i can see your concern but when you start to think of it Planeshift already has cat people, elves and dwarfs these are also part of \"pop\" culture to.


Cat people. the only other fame i\'ve seen them in is morrowind ;) hardly everywhere. Dwarfs are not exactly what one would call popular no? you dont have herds of people going \"OMGZ i wanna be a dwarf they have such cool powers!\". Elves i agree with you they are just like dragons. how ever 2 wrong moves dosent make it right to give full justice for all things generic to come crashing into ps.

oh and another interesting note... how do vampires deal with kran\'s?
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« Reply #82 on: February 13, 2005, 10:16:10 am »
..cat people are EVERYWHERE.  Ever heard of -furry-?

And I can only hope they never bring \'dark elves\' here.  Some of the drowish concepts are fun and all, but its been done to death.
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« Reply #83 on: February 13, 2005, 10:17:56 am »
Yes, what Seperot is trying to say is that unoriginal = bad.
That\'s why dwarves are bad, elves are bad, dragons are bad and vampires are bad.
But of course there\'s more.
I can see magic in most fantasy worlds. So there shouldn\'t be magic in PS.
Hmm... now that I think about it, swords aren\'t original as well. We should fight with sticks... or no, sticks come from trees and trees aren\'t original.
Hmm... I don\'t think using english is original, we should come up with new language... ah, no that\'s bad too because typing can be seen all over the net, so no speaking at all because it\'s unoriginal. We should sit and just watch people connecting/disconnecting. Oh wait, that\'s PS fan chan... so not original as well :<

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If someone didn\'t get it yet, that ^ was a sarcasm.
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« Reply #84 on: February 13, 2005, 10:47:00 am »
OOC: Draklar and Sep are right. I agree with Drak that the way Syzerian did it is much better. Also Sirvion\'s style is unique enough that you know he put more thought into it than, \"I wanna be a vampire! They rock!\". That\'s my main problem with this, it\'s too open... you\'re vampires for crying out loud.

And like the idea that the light from the crystal doesn\'t hurt you? How does that work? You wanna have the strengths of vampires, but can\'t handle the weaknesses? Lame. I mean, seriously, if you\'re going to RP do it right. My character, Phinehas, is a cripple, so guess what... that means I\'m not gonna be \"running\" in PS. I want a full RP experience, and I\'m willing to have the patience to deal with it. If you want to be vampires, then you should adhere to the vampire lore, stuff like avoiding light, etc. etc. Don\'t just be like, \"We\'re vampires. We feed on others. We\'re invincible. Deal with it.\" You\'ll especially have trouble with that sense after \"dying\" the rest of us \"resurrect\" too. Like Monketh said, it\'s also understandable that IC people are going to resent your presence due to your age, supposed \"knowledge\", and invincibility.

Also, just as a point of interest... seeing as in vampire lore, they\'re susceptible to religious stuff, are you guys particularly susceptible to Crystal Way magic?
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« Reply #85 on: February 13, 2005, 11:10:57 am »
OOC: Well so far no one has resented me, infact no one has even complained about the character I RP, everyone has quite liked it. Vampire lore is very diverse so its hard to get 1 definition, if you follow the LoK style vampires can be burned with ordinary water, Interview with a vampire style is one where religion and water have no ill effects, Bram Stokers Dracula didnt have the nasty aversion to sunlight. I realise these are not lore but they are where many people draw their ideas for what a vampire is.

You seem to assume alot though, I have never said im invincible, never claimed to know things others couldnt, so im not playing a vampire just because \"They Rock\" as you put it because I get no real advantage from it. I simply like the character.

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« Reply #86 on: February 13, 2005, 11:21:55 am »
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I hope you don\'t mind that some of our characters just won\'t take your words for granted, since being vampires basically means you are much more experienced than they are, not to mention the fact that they are mere mortals walking in the shadow of your splendor.

That\'s what I meant.

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« Reply #87 on: February 13, 2005, 11:24:39 am »
Whether, in this instance, its true, its a valid concern to have.

In many (If not most) instances, vampirism in a game gets really silly really fast, and tends to attract some rather odd groups.  Demons even moreso.  There\'s another thing which hasn\'t seemed to show up here that I simply won\'t even mention in case someone goes with it, but it\'s all fairly patterned, and will eventually happen.

Anyways, in most games, people who play movie-popular creature types -tend- to want a power trip (Mind you, they do often grow out of it, but that takes YEARS).  You have no bloody idea how many god-level werevampiredemondragonsunbathers I\'ve had to fight over the years in other games.  It gets REALLY annoying.

It\'s also not all that creative.  You can find other excuses to bite people and be all shadowy.  I certainly have.  Throw a little snake blood and simply -personal preferences-, and your character is slightly more original, and the reason you do things is more honest.  Or, heck, just say something like \"I need animal food, but I hate to kill, so I just drink blood\" or somesuch.

All valid, but without the baggage of being a vampire.

You can even be undead.  But vampirism has fifty thousand different stories, and everyone has a favorite (My personal version is that the vampire\'s soul is sent to some hellish realm and comes back as a possessing demon, rather than simply undead.  Just an example).

It\'s also especially odd when you can\'t reflect it well in the game.

Even striving towards vampirism makes more sense.

But, to each their own cycle.
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« Reply #88 on: February 13, 2005, 11:30:50 am »
OT: I think that making something a bit more original is the spice in roleplaying.

Back on Topic:

Well, and I think that the azure sun harms you, even more than the normal one. You know it\'s kinda of a lense through which the light of the sun of the surfacedwellers shines through. And if you rely on a kind of curse, then hmm you should really make a huge circle around cristal magic and temples.

I can tell you as much:

before years, I used to be a PowerGamer (in the P&P RPG round), and the only experience I got out of it is that having no weaknesses and no individualistics means having no fun.

Hmm, if I am allowed to I will give you a small tip:

Disband this guild now and here, think about how to make it better and then make it kinda secret, or you will end up running all day from \'exorcists\', and end up staked.

Well Phineas, as you know, I have an \'excuse\' for not being harmed by \'curse-lifters\' (the glue thingy ya know)

Look as Phinehas said saying \"I wanna be a vampire! They are 1337s!\" is no way, just provocation for the others.

And for the thing with \"Cain\" as a ur-vampire. *coughs* I wont like to have parts of the bible flowing into PS (especially when they are misunderstood and used as an excuse!)

Look what you do now is just  childish. Wanting to be a vampire with all his strengths, but without weaknesses.

I am not against new (or old) ideas, but when they get so ummasture that they end up uber it has come to an end.

I am not against someone who RPs a vampire, I am against someone who PGs a vampire.
I want to be a flame, to crumble to ash, but never ever burnt.

I want to rise higher, rise up to the heavens, but sink, just sink down deeper and deeper into nothing,

I want to be an angel, a chosen, a devil, but I am just a creature that ever wants what it wont get.


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« Reply #89 on: February 13, 2005, 11:32:11 am »
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 I simply like the character.


that\'s the problem, there is no physical character. there is no job called vampirism, and there is no race of vampires, and i have to agree on Phinehas, if you want tha advantages, you should take the disadvantages.

And bout the kran, i got stuck on that also :S

but it\'s impossible to rp or p a vampire in ps, to much limitations to be able to do that.

just worship vampires, or something like that, believe that they are gods and that you as a mere mortal ( i concider ps players mortals even if they resurrect ) wishes to be like them, then you have the game\'s limitation, it\'s original and there\'s no fuzz round it.