Darkhaven

[Teejae]

OOC: I\'ve already said im not doing this for a powertrip, never have said im uber or anything like that and dont intend to, im just another character in the world RP\'ing my own way. I know some will RP that they dont believe it and thats fine, adds another level to it as far as im concerned

[seperot]

Originally posted by Teejae
OOC: Well so far no one has resented me, infact no one has even complained about the character I RP, everyone has quite liked it.

i think your missing the point.... none of us here have a problem with your char.. great idea arrogant cocky self absorbed all good stuff. what is going on here is the debate about how exactly vampires work in ps if there wanted by people the orignillity the lack of drawbacks to your curse and other stuff..


personally i think if your gonna play vampires you should at least be afriad of sunlight. it is the most common of vampire threats so even though its sent though a crystal...its still sunlight...

[Draklar]

The more that it comes from crystal. As you can see from Crystal Way description, it is especially effective against dark creatures.

[Incenjucar]

My suggestion:  Set up a \'vampire style\' template, basically saying \"You can call yourself a vampire after attaining the following ranks, and avoiding ranks in non-vampiric things\".

[Teejae]

Firstly, sep you havent RP\'ed with my char in PS so all the self centered cocky e.t.c you cant really comment on unless you call all of 3 or 4 posts in character where we cant really talk a basis.

and secondly I am quite happy to RP a susceptibility to crystal way magic, but the problem with the sunlight killing is that you can quite often get caught out in the light by mistake, so that is hard to RP hence the \"something about the crystal means it is more of an annoyance than hurtful\". And anyway it does depend on what literature you follow, everyone has their own idea

[Moogie]

OOC: Woah. How many posts did I just read that were actually telling us to change what we\'re doing? \"Disband the guild\", \"don\'t RP vampires\" \"act like crazy people instead\". You can\'t just go around TELLING people how to roleplay if it doesn\'t suit you.

The reason we don\'t have a weakness to the crystal is incredibly simple: day cycles in PS are incredibly short, and for the most part, unnoticable. They\'re also pretty bugged. Having to run inside every time you suddenly notice it\'s 5am is a pain in the butt and ruins any other RP you have going on.

Of course a weakness to crystal way magic is perfect, and I plan on RPing that myself.

As Incenjucar said, \"to each their own cycle\", so please leave us to ours. It\'s petty to try and argue here and in that thread in the Hydlaa forum like it\'s some big international crisis.


IC: *Looks around* There\'s been nothing said for hours... perhaps they finally got the message that we won\'t be driven out?

[Phinehas]

Actually, I\'d say that we\'re still waiting for you guys to refute our arguments. Although, yeah, I realized from the beginning that just because the majority thinks it\'s a lousy idea, there\'ll still be those stubborn few who WILL HAVE IT THEIR WAY! So I\'m just gonna live with it, even though it still bothers me that you guys are degrading PS this way. I\'ll still RP with you, though.

[Moogie]

OOC: Well we don\'t ask that you agree. We don\'t ask you to change your IC or OOC beliefs for us. We\'re not making anyone change the way they play if they don\'t want to. We don\'t care about refuting your arguments, either. We simply asked to have the same treatment in return. (Nice to see you\'ll still RP with us though Phinehas, that\'s something )

[Phinehas]

Well, you have to understand that the reason it bothers us OOC is not because we care what you do to yourselves. It\'s because it affects the world that we\'re RPing in, so it affects us as well, you\'re starting a bad trend, and if you can\'t think through it logically, how can you expect other, newer players to?

As for RPing, yes, well I\'m secure enough in my RP to not have to ignore different kinds, even if I don\'t think they\'re appropriate. Besides, Phinehas\' gonna fry all yer butts. But you didn\'t hear that from me. Oh, another question, you guys don\'t happen to be particularly weak to fire, do you? How do you feel about Diaboli? Etc. etc.

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Moogie
OOC: Woah. How many posts did I just read that were actually telling us to change what we\'re doing? \"Disband the guild\", \"don\'t RP vampires\" \"act like crazy people instead\". You can\'t just go around TELLING people how to roleplay if it doesn\'t suit you.

Well, you can tell ppl. what and how to RP based on the rules and the setting (which is a part of the rules), because that\'s what they\'re for. If rules weren\'t there to tell ppl. what to do / not do, then they\'d not be rules, but suggestions.

I totally agree with Phineas in that I see PS being damaged by people forcing in things that don\'t belong there and that weren\'t meant to be there for the simple reason that they like these things, or any other reason.

And, as I said on another thread, it really astonishes me to see someone who has been here for so long and who also advocates the very things I stated when it comes to different unfitting concepts, do the exact thing they usually argue against.

I myself like some concepts that aren\'t in PS, but I will not try to force them in.
IMO, vampires in PS are RP only technicly, not actually, as they disregard the setting, which is just as bad RP as 1337ing. You can\'t expect a newbie to adhere to the setting if you don\'t do it yourself. And if you can\'t expect that, there is no use in expecting them to even read the setting at all. This will be climaxing in everyone doing their own thing, while the actual PS world fades away except for the odd reference some NPC might be giving when talking to them.

The general idea of darkhaven isn\'t bad IMO, minus the vampire thing. There will always be those who are forced into the shadows by mainstream society, and also those who voluntarily choose this path, but for reasons that don\'t conflict with the setting.

[Moogie]

*shrugs* Well we don\'t mind taking the rapp for all the other vampires who were here before us. The only reason we get the blame is because we decided to let ourselves be known. We\'re not starting a trend- we\'re just joining it.

\"And, as I said on another thread, it really astonishes me to see someone who has been here for so long and who also advocates the very things I stated when it comes to different unfitting concepts, do the exact thing they usually argue against.\"

I don\'t stop people RPing whatever they want. Anything I argue against that is out-of-setting is things people suggest in the Wishlist that they want to see officially implemented into the game. That\'s when things get changed, that\'s when it affects everyone. RP affects us, people who RP with us, and nothing more than that. I still stand by my belief that officially implementing Vampires into PS would be a bad idea.

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Moogie
I don\'t stop people RPing whatever they want. Anything I argue against that is out-of-setting is things people suggest in the Wishlist that they want to see officially implemented into the game. That\'s when things get changed, that\'s when it affects everyone. RP affects us, people who RP with us, and nothing more than that. I still stand by my belief that officially implementing Vampires into PS would be a bad idea.

I see the difference now. However, I honestly don\'t understand how it can make a difference to you. If I don\'t want something to be officially implemented, then why do I want to do it unofficially? Or the other way: if I want something to be unofficially there, why would I mind it being official? After all, I would already have changed \"my personal PS\" to it, and it would only be advantageous to have it official? (For example, I would immediately stop arguing against vampires if they\'d be officially mentioned somewhere, though I\'ll definitely try to keep them from becoming official.)
I think the \"either official or not at all\" philosophy is of great importance to warrant a consistent world once the playerbase increases beyond ~100.

Therefore, I will stick to things that are implemented or at least mentioned to be existant, and it is my wish that everyone would do that as well, though I don\'t have illusions about the probability of this actually happening.

[Draklar]

Actually this whole vampire business affects me ingame despise if I want it or not. While spending my time in tavern I have to listen about vampires and stuff.
Correct me if I\'m wrong, but talking about things non-existant in PS can be compared to talking about rl stuff, right?
Well either way being forced to listen to it isn\'t very pleasening to me and frankly, doesn\'t help in getting my mind into the world of Yliakum. It is even bigger pity that people whom I could respect for role playing seem to be tought that vampires do exist in Yliakum.
So yeah, if I wasn\'t forced to listen to this I could respect that, but reality proves it different.

[Moogie]

We listened to someone saying he was a Drow back for as long as I can remember... no, wait, there was more than just 1 person, there was a whole group of them. Funny, that.

Seytra: The difference is the impact. A group of people RPing has very little impact. There are absolutely no real advantages or disadvantages to RPing vampires, thus it isn\'t going to be something hundreds of people want to do. Now, compare that to if it was officially implemented, with \'cool skills\' and \'uber vampire textures\' and special skills that only vamps can use etc. You can see that obviously a massive amount of players will become these \'official\' vampires and you\'ll have PS turn into vamp-world. We don\'t want that. We just want to RP.

Draklar: Have you even asked people in the tavern to stop talking about vampires? Is that why you\'re being forced to listen to it, because they flatly refuse? I\'m sure they would respect your wishes if only you voiced them where it mattered, instead of arguing about it in a forum.

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Moogie
We listened to someone saying he was a Drow back for as long as I can remember... no, wait, there was more than just 1 person, there was a whole group of them. Funny, that.

There has? Oh dear.

Originally posted by Moogie
Seytra: The difference is the impact. A group of people RPing has very little impact. There are absolutely no real advantages or disadvantages to RPing vampires, thus it isn\'t going to be something hundreds of people want to do. Now, compare that to if it was officially implemented, with \'cool skills\' and \'uber vampire textures\' and special skills that only vamps can use etc. You can see that obviously a massive amount of players will become these \'official\' vampires and you\'ll have PS turn into vamp-world. We don\'t want that. We just want to RP.

Yes, not many people will wish to do that, and I don\'t understand why you do. I can see that being shadowy and whatnot is an interesting concept, but while that by itserf is very possible, I don\'t get why you insist on RPing a vampire in PS, when it conflicts with the setting? As I said, if the word \"vampire\" was mentioned anywhere in the setting (except in a statement like \"vampires don\'t exist\" ), I would accept that (though I\'m glad it isn\'t anywhere to be found ). It doesn\'t have to be implemented to be official to me. Kran Infravision isn\'t implemented but it is still official to me, and I don\'t mind anyone RPing that.
Even if it doesn\'t have impact on others, i.e., if you managed to keep it completely secret, wouldn\'t it still affect the world of PS, simply by your group secluding itself from Yliakum life? I know, it\'s a philosophical question, but still.