Racist guilds in PS

[Efflixi Aduro]

Now, in the world today there is much more tolerance than there was like 50 years ago. Racism, sexism etc. still exists but now as much as it did. Now why do i bring this up, because I think racist guilds will begin to pop up and there needs to be a rule about it before they begin showing up. Now, people might come out and say \"all racists must die bla bla bla....\" I would agree that no one should be racist, sexist, etc. But, we are talking about the planeshift world here. Should guild be allowed to be made that hate Enki, Lemurs, etc. Because they just do?
I think this should be allowed in some form. I think things like this will make a more realistic planeshift world. But, I dont think it should become into somthing like No-enki bars or anything, that might turn it into a big issue.
Looking for your guys thoughts toward this, please post your opinion.

[AendarCallenlasse]

Well since I am the leader of a racist guild I have to agree with no restrictions.  We only allow the elven races.  Not because we hate everyone else, but because we only like ourselves.  If that makes sense.  I believe \"racist\" Guilds provide good rp experiences personally.

[Efflixi Aduro]

Ya I though about your guild while thinking about this. I don\'t think you guys count as racist really just have big egos . And you don\'t specificly hate one race...
I agree that it adds to the rp experiance though.

[Kwip]

Wherever there is an environment where more than one group of people is present, some will feel that they are better than another group.  From this comes tension, resentment, and sometimes violence.

Guilds, though that are composed of one race (not species because it seems they can all breed together except for the Kran) are not necessarily bad.  They share a background and culture.  These guilds on the other hand can be breeding grounds for distrust, anger, and hate of other races or groups.

And as Aendar has said it will, or already does, add an element of role-playing.  It adds tension, conflict, and body to stories as well as races.  It can also lead to stereo-typing of races that has to be gotten around to form friendships.  Of course this can be taken too far.  As long as races are on equal ground though, I believe it will only add to create a better setting and story.

[Efflixi Aduro]

Yes, but what about a guild that accepts everyone except, lets say, kran. And rules include PKing krans, stealing from them, etc.

[Kwip]

Originally posted by Kwip (yes I am quoting myself)
As long as races are on equal ground though

I meant this as where one group was not singled out by multiple groups.  In the case you state, that is what I consider getting out of hand and should be dealt with.

[Tarachnul]

But does forming a guild based upon a society of a singlerace count as racism?

i mean my guild is dwarves only were a scociety of dwarves(rp reasons)...but if any one in it were to say discriminate towards or insult sanother player based upon their \"race\" theyd be out end of story so i guess what im really trying to say is what exactly is (by your definition atleast) racism?

regards

-Tarach

[Draklar]

Racism means that you consider your race superior to others.
So basically what Aendar said. Altho\' I *am* surprised that racist guild accepts half-breeds ^^

But, well... there is no much place for racism around here, because \'tis obvious that Dermorians are better than everyone else...

[Kixie]

I think it would be interesting if you instituted a law that said that all guilds must be open to all races. You could have like a mini civil rights movement in Planeshift and have the \"racist\" guilds having controvercies over having 3 or 4 other members of a different race but keeping them very low ranks. IDK seems kind of a good idea, but then again it might strike a chord with some people as phony and a lame attempt to pay homage to the real civil rights movement.

[Draklar]

Someone is missing the time period that PS is in... again...

[Kiva]

As long as you keep it IC, I don\'t see the reason why you can\'t hate certain races, but if you start breaking laws about it, I can assure you someone will put you into a machine that\'ll cause you endless amounts of pain... So play nice.

But then again, I\'m not really the one who decides if people can be rasists or not. It\'s just my oppinion.

Edit: Just don\'t come to these forums and start complaining about not being able to join certain guilds, or that some poeple are mean to you, because that\'s whining. And whining doesn\'t belong here. It belongs in a /tell with the GMs.

[Cyberchu]

From http://www.planeshift.it/setting_races.html

The city of Yliakum is a melting pot of races with different culture and origin, mixed and integrated by living together over the centuries. Racial suspicion and hostility are completely unknown, given that the greater part of people belonging to one race is normally married to someone of another race.  

Just my two tria

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Cyberchu

From http://www.planeshift.it/setting_races.html

The city of Yliakum is a melting pot of races with different culture and origin, mixed and integrated by living together over the centuries. Racial suspicion and hostility are completely unknown, given that the greater part of people belonging to one race is normally married to someone of another race.  

Just my two tria

Exactly. For mre info, and also for my stance on this, see this thread.

Furthermore, things like racism already appear in PS. When I recently was making my first 10 steps in the world, I was challenged twice (by different persons, but fromt the same guild IIRC) until I turned on auto-decline. When I (IC) asked the first challenger why he wanted to kill me, I got a very racist reply before the person just went away to challenge someone else.

This proves that racism is only used to justify PvP, and not RP, since of it weren\'t this way, he would have started arguing with me before challenging me, and not onla when prompted for an explanation.

I\'m entirely not happy with \"XYZ only\" guilds, unless it is absolutely clear that other species wouldn\'t be able to do what the guild is about, and can\'t be of any other use. Even a Kran can do something in a magic guild, so should not be excluded simply for being a Kran.

[Altharion]

:tup: for racism

[Kaseijin]

i am in support of fewer rules... in that i say forced policies on guild creation... if the guild decides to be a racist guild...fine....
but they will certainly face some difficulties...people willl be less cooperative... same trading guild won\'t trade with them.... people won\'t help them if they are attacked by more creatures then they can handle.
Devs or GMs should not try to make planeshift an utopia... George Orwell and many other writers showed what happens when you try to do that.
actually one of the devs...has a nice D&D quote about opprtunities.. in his sig....