Racist guilds in PS

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Kaseijin
Devs or GMs should not try to make planeshift an utopia... George Orwell and many other writers showed what happens when you try to do that.
actually one of the devs...has a nice D&D quote about opprtunities.. in his sig....

I don\'t see PS being tried to be made into an utopia. I only see that it is being tried to get rid of the most annoying and stupid things that exist in RL. If PS were meant to be an utopia, there wouldn\'t be any combat, would there?

As for the quote (I assume you are referring to the Drizzt one): I don\'t see this applying anywhere except for being against racism, because with racism, the opportunities would not be equal.

:tdown: for racism!

[Kaseijin]

you give the non racist and racist guilds the same opprotuinity.... and see which one fails and which one succeeds
i am going to kill the suspense and say that the open race guilds will be more successful....still i say let people have secular guilds...

basically i am against any affermative action in PS

[Seytra]

Well, racism is being used as a cheap excuse for PvP and otherwise totally unjustifiable aggression, and there are many people who are just into that. They\'re usually called \"griefers\" and, because it will help them, powerlevellers will also be joining this sort of guild, so I think there will be at least one or two very powerful racist guilds, which is something really, really bad.

[Icefalcon]

I don\'t see why you can\'t roleplay someone who dislikes a certain race, or is proud of his own race. They can suffer the consequences (or benifits). Making it a rule that \"You can\'t be mean to Krans\" doesn\'t make any sense at all to me.

Saytra, I skimmed that other thread and I never did find a strong argument why racism should not be allowed.

It encourages PKing? There is no open PKing, you still have to accept a challenge, so I don\'t see why it would increase PKing.

Furthermore, we already have an element of racism, if subtle, already implemented. Ojevada, an Enki town. If all races are to be united and treated as equals, why do we already have a town comprised mainly of Enkidukai? They obviously want to band together and live their lives somewhat united as a race. Of course, that doesn\'t mean they hate other races, but simply by wanting to live together, they are saying we are superior, or at least different, than other races.

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Icefalcon
It encourages PKing? There is no open PKing, you still have to accept a challenge, so I don\'t see why it would increase PKing.

It would, because if you are RPing, you would have to accept the challenge that is coming from someone who RPs to hate your race. This means that either you go OOC, or you die IC. Now you can say that this is a good thing, but to me it simply is griefing.

Originally posted by Icefalcon
Furthermore, we already have an element of racism, if subtle, already implemented. Ojevada, an Enki town.

Indeed, I\'m absolutely not fond of this.

[Icefalcon]

Originally posted by Seytra
It would, because if you are RPing, you would have to accept the challenge that is coming from someone who RPs to hate your race. This means that either you go OOC, or you die IC. Now you can say that this is a good thing, but to me it simply is griefing.

You don\'t have to accept a challenge IC. And if I did, I wouldn\'t die...

I do see what you are saying, but it could be turned around. Instead of all these PKers challenging all Yliaki, they narrow their hunt down to only one race, so they challenge only 8% of what they used to.  

[Tarachnul]

so are you saying that it is racist for a certain group of...people?....binding together into a society with others like them is racist?

...i didnt know the entirety of the continent of africa was racist... :rolleyes:

anyways thats my two trias...

regards

-Tarach

[Seytra]

@ Icefalcon: You would under normal circumastances, because it\'s one of the defining properties of racists that they\'ll pick on lone people and corner them so that they can\'t get away. Therefore, declining the challenge would be bad RP. And even if you would win, how about the newbies who just started out? Or your newly created char?

I agree that they would be limiting their options this way, but they would add \"justification\" to them, and therefore would be able to do it without facing punishment.

Originally posted by Tarachnul
so are you saying that it is racist for a certain group of...people?....binding together into a society with others like them is racist?

...i didnt know the entirety of the continent of africa was racist... :rolleyes:

anyways thats my two trias...

The difference is, though, that africa was populated before travelling was as it is today, whereas Ojaveda is just a little walk from Hydlaa, which means that there is no geographical reason for separation, as everyone would have equal opportunity to get there, from the time of the first settler, at which Hydlaa would have already been populated by quite a few Yliaki.

This means that the separation cannot have any reasons other than wanting to separate themselves.

[Incenjucar]

Originally posted by Tarachnul
so are you saying that it is racist for a certain group of...people?....binding together into a society with others like them is racist?

...i didnt know the entirety of the continent of africa was racist... :rolleyes:

Technically yes.  Anything that is done in specific regards to race, and solely due to race (as opposed to, say, medical factors common TO that race), is racist, whether it\'s benevolent or horrific.

Most racism is actively bigoted, but its not a required thing.

[Tarachnul]

so then since klyros can breathe underwater and ylians(for example) cant as it being a physical difference it isnt racist for them to form a society composed entirely of klyros underwater....yet if the ylians were to do so on the surface it would?

i get where your coming from but  i just dont think i quite agree...

regards

-Tarach

[Incenjucar]

It would not be racist due to it being wholly on medical reasons.  If they wouldn\'t let in someone who had some sort of waterbreathing magical device, however, then it becomes racist.

Think of it this way:  If a hyper-tall Blue tribe would only let in hyper-tall people, and the Red tribe was all short people, it wouldn\'t be racist IF, should, on a fluke, a Red tribe member be tall enough to join, they would happily let them in, and similarly, a Blue person being less than tall enough, would be kicked out of the tribe.

If there was a purely social reason for this, it would be some other sort of bigotry, but if it was a survival thing, than it would just be incidental.

If only tall people can survive in the Blue territory, it\'s not their bloody fault (unless, of course, they moved there solely to get away from short people).

[Efflixi Aduro]

How bout racismt is allowed if there is a good rp reason about it. And a reminder this is aboput the guilds, not seperate players.

[Ecolem]

Originally posted by Altharion
:tup: for racism

Oh great, this is what I wana see...a bit or racism to make PS even more ?realistic?, not everything has to be realistic you know  :rolleyes:

I mean common guys this can get seriously stupid in one sense as newbs wont have a clue if they are hated or not and then be pushed around and all that X(

Don?t even know why a person would bring up a topic up like this one...there?s already enough racism in the world today and I don?t wana see it in a game...in any form(apart from obviously good vs. evil )

Brings bad ideas into peoples heads so...:tdown:

[Kaseijin]

there is also enough violence and animal abuse in the world but we still go around killing poor rats just to rip the skin off them ..and kill gobble just for the thrill of it (or the experience)


this thread got sidetracked...it was about racial exclusive guilds...guilds which only accept a certain race..not guilds that go around killing other races....there is a difference between those two.

elf and dwarf only guild were always a part of RPG worlds...it would be stupid to start banding them.

I say let the game develop....see how it goes...allow characters that hate other races or guild that do that....if some guild doesn\'t rp that part well... i.e they becom griefers.... guess what?? that\'s where GMs come in...they kick them out...ta dah.... problem solved....

i mean excluding all the negativity from the game and the Planeshift will become MMORPG...Merry Men On-line Role Playing Game

you know what\'s the best computer rpg ever....fallout...why? cause it was realistic in every sense(well..socially)... i really felt like i was in futuristic world.....you had the high and mighty vault dwellers, needlessly seggregated ghouls...

[Kixie]

Originally posted by Mondo

Originally posted by Altharion
:tup: for racism

Oh great, this is what I wana see...a bit or racism to make PS even more ?realistic?, not everything has to be realistic you know  :rolleyes:

I mean common guys this can get seriously stupid in one sense as newbs wont have a clue if they are hated or not and then be pushed around and all that X(

Don?t even know why a person would bring up a topic up like this one...there?s already enough racism in the world today and I don?t wana see it in a game...in any form(apart from obviously good vs. evil )

Brings bad ideas into peoples heads so...:tdown:

This is the same argument behind \"Bad music makes you a bad person\" And I have no respect for it. It makes no sense whatsoever, seeing as violence has been a part of the psyche before music was such and integral part of our society.

Anyways my point is that many people already use in game \"racism\" against other races, and it remains full hearted and almost comical. I doubt it will ever escalate to people using racism as a bitter excuse to make everyone else feel bad. I for example use many examples of discrimination already like \"Wench\" and \"Commoner\" or \"Peasant\" and sometimes \"unpure\" or make some comment about their dirty blood. I doubt it makes me a bad person, and I rarely have pangs of murder