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Of Roleplaying in Planeshift
« on: February 20, 2005, 08:17:16 pm »
Well I have seen lots of threads taking up the topic of power-levelers in Planeshift. However the threat from their side might sound real, they aren\'t the ones who trouble me most in the world of Yliakum. Well, getting back to what I wanted to say, as many of us know the server was down lately. Out of boredom I started reading a comic (to which link was posted by someone somewhere on these forums). Made me chuckle quite many times, but that is not the point. After some time I came across this installment. Pretty funny way of showing the p&p sessions. However suddenly I felt that it is somewhat familiar (despise that I never had such players myself). Well I went through it again and realised how much it reminds me of the state of Planeshift roleplaying. Let me explain it a bit by describing relation with the characters:

The GM: This is the roleplaying type. Tries to keep roleplaying clean and free from any nonsense. This is the most fragile type when it comes to absurd appearing while playing. The roleplayer wants to get fun from real roleplaying and any signs of world setting shattering turns the game into horror. There is absolutely no way of getting fully into the character.

The rat-flail guy: This is the worst type I encountered while playing Planeshift. It could be titled \"roleplaying idiot\". However he might not step out of the setting, he turns game into absurd. Examples here might be people who talk about weed or type such things as \"/me steals all ale\". I have also seen such behaviour among the tavern bouncers who attack visitors from the most absurd reasons (they can challenge players for wielding weapons in tavern without even asking if they would sheathe their swords beforehand). Although it doesn\'t step out of the given setting, it is absurd way of roleplaying and can easily destroy fun for others.

The Card Duel Master: I would title this kind as \"bad roleplayers\". People who aren\'t going to stick to given setting because something else is more fun for them. They don\'t seem to understand that if they like roleplaying something else, they should go play game where it is normal. The example would be vampires and people connected to them. Such creatures don\'t exist in world of Planeshift, but they don\'t see it as a problem. Of course, it isn\'t as bad as the \"roleplaying idiots\", but still can be annoying for roleplayers. The more that spreading of trend for something that shouldn\'t exist makes it harder to get fully into the given world. They will have fun from roleplaying themselves, but also will be bothering those who want to stick to given setting.

The Krug: The non-roleplayer. Although he knows nothing about roleplaying, he is the least bothering one. Power-levelers seem to stay in shadows and don\'t socialise much. You don\'t see them hanging out in tavern and annoying patrons. Just passing by at best.

Now I would also like to point out the outcome of the event. The roleplaying type gets pissed off and finally leaves the place (The leveler also disappears. It turns out the game seems to be unproper for him).

Now many people will say I am whining (again), but let me share my experience from my mission to encourage roleplaying in tavern.

The first week was great. There were many roleplayers passing by and with me standing behind the bar, they often stopped by to have a drink. There were roleplaying events when some would sing a song or recite a poem. It was really fun, some patrons were quite generous and I earned quite nice number of circles. I even got officially employed in the tavern which also caused me to seriously roleplay the barkeep. But that was just first week. One day I encountered most interesting event. I was forced to watch a ritual of blood-sucking in front of the counter. Three thoughts came to my mind: \"The patrons would be disgusted by the ritual\", \"A vampire wouldn\'t show off with its existance in public place\" and \"What does a vampire do in the world of Planeshift?\". But that wasn\'t so bad. Later I heard about people talking about such things as weed and others challenging everyone who did something that they didn\'t like and being rude in general. I tried to make them behave but then occurred fights between \"idiot roleplayers\". There also appeared more vampires who as they said, were just following the trend. I tried to cut the vampire discussions in tavern - first by saying the are no vampires in Planeshift, then by telling to take it somewhere else - nothing worked. It was hopeless and I lost all my will to talk with people. To regain my patience I simply stood in a corner, spending less and less time behind the bar (even though my character was supposed to be barkeep). But it seems it was bothering some people who started making annoying remarks about me or decided it would be a good idea to send me a challenge. The last saturday it was enough. First I had to deal with some mu-online player, who unfortunately learned the /me command. He was pain but finally I managed to get rid of him. But before I could calm down, someone who I respected for roleplaying rushed in and told me that because of vampires playing gods, her friend is thinking about leaving. As a barkeep I thought it was good idea to talk about patrons\' problems and I always did. But at that time my first words was to take the vampire discussion somewhere else. As if that wasn\'t enough, some other patron joined in defending existance of vampires in Planeshift. I had to take part in the argument, trying to make it stop, while in background I could see someone who possibly was trying to roleplay. That was enough, I asked for a list of people in the vampire organisation so I could put them on /ignore and have some peace at last. But instead I had another few people freak out on me and with no list, I /ignored only those who I knew to be members of it. That including my friend. Of course then I couldn\'t understand discussions in tavern, as someone who was taking part in it was on my /ignore list. It was useless and I simply left the tavern. The roleplaying experience was completely ruined for me. Despise my character who lately is going in direction of barkeep and minstrel, I don\'t feel like coming back to that place.

Now that I threw it out, to the most important part. I\'ve seen people being fast to accuse power-levelers of being downfall for the community, but maybe everyone should look at their own actions. Maybe people like the bouncers should try to be more polite for others. Maybe people who want to have fun roleplaying themselves, shouldn\'t disturb the setting and ruin everything for other roleplayers. I think that would be everything.
Say I\'m a whiner, an idiot or simply overreacting, I don\'t care. Roleplaying was completely ruined for me and no longer do I see anything to do other than leveling. I don\'t feel like talking with anyone ingame besides my guildmates, who I chosen because of roleplaying skills anyway. I don\'t expect everyone to change their ways, but maybe at least few people would think about their behaviour.
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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2005, 08:34:47 pm »
good comic....does sum up the typical rpg situation...

about the rest of the stuff you said....yeah i agree with most stuff... i am not sure in which group i belong there. However such things are expected to happen when you have 400 active members....not all will have the same vision of roleplaying... it may be due to their age or experience in roleplaying.

my only advice.... keep roleplaying... it\'s people who roleplay that will keep planeshift on track....
what worries me about your post is that it sounds like you\'re giving up on the whole planeshift thing.
I hope that\'s not true.
« Last Edit: February 20, 2005, 08:35:48 pm by Kaseijin »
i actually play planeshift

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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2005, 08:40:25 pm »
No, I\'m not giving up on Planeshift, I don\'t intend to. I still have some friends with whom I can roleplay. Only that I don\'t see them ingame that much either...
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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2005, 09:47:31 pm »
Nicely put Draklar.
I\'d come hang with ya\' in the bar but...
OOC world: I\'m moving and I don\'t know if I\'ll have Broadband in my new place, financially speaking.
IC world: I\'m hunting down the guy that murdered my parents, sisters, tribe...etc. The tale is coming along nicely.

I am a little disturbed by the mention of vampires...are we talking like a race (which is NOT a part of the setting) or are we talking like a Cult (which could -I suppose- be woven in by the players if enough took interest.) Because I remember a certain moderator having a vampire character that was more related to (not the right word) \'fetish\' than \'culture\' or race.
Even if it is explainable I doubt they would be readily welcomed into the tavern, or city for that matter. As I recall in fact the afor mentioned mod\'s character had a thing about hiding her identity (as a vampire) when in communal settings since a blood drinking, merderous being of that kind would naturally be, A: feared and in turn, B: Hunted.
Of course, I have not been IG for a long time now so I am lost on the subject as a whole. But that would just be my natural reaction.

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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2005, 09:54:14 pm »
I like that comic... It shows just how pointless the world is becoming, and how stupid most people are these days.

The days of gameplay and smartness is gone! All hail the graphical games!

But seriously, if you or anyone else really desires to roleplay, there\'s nothing to do except just ignoring the people who ruin it all. You\'ll never be able to talk sense into their heads and they\'ll never learn how to behave like a sane human being. It\'s just not possible.

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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2005, 10:03:37 pm »
Useful post and excellent link to accompany it. :)

It\'s been way too long since I\'ve been in-game, but I remember this stuff all the way back into MB.  Remember Nanuke and his muffins?
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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2005, 10:33:54 pm »
Yes, this stuff isn\'t new, but there is alot more of it now.

In reply to your post, about the GM is the way it should idealy work. Ill keep my thoughts about the PS GMs to myself...

The roleplaying idiot. Ah, yes. I\'ve encountered many of those. However, I don\'t think they are that much of an annoyance. There are idiots in real life to. You just learn to ignore them. They also are not very hard to convert to real roleplaying. I would consider myself to have been a roleplaying idiot in my days in RS...

Bad roleplayers. Well, Duel Masters are certainly not part of the game. But I have mixed feelings about Vampires. They seem borderline between good roleplaying and bad roleplaying. They (most of the ones I have talked to) realise that Vampires aren\'t a part of the game. But you can\'t really give them a good reason why they shouldn\'t be able to roleplay as a Vampire. If you can roleplay that your eyes were gouged out, and you were beaten so badly that you can bearly walk, and your arm was ripped off by some bandits as a child... Why can\'t you roleplay that you were born cursed with whatever curse Vampires have that make them need to suck blood. I agree that it shouldn\'t be allowed in the tavern, but why not elsewhere?

And the non-roleplayers, I agree with you. They never really bothered me.

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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2005, 10:45:19 pm »
Well I try to roleplay in the game, yet it seems that faith doesn?t want it to be so :S and I always end talking OOC... quite annoying that is ;(

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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2005, 10:47:37 pm »
Uhm... By GM I meant the Game Master in the comic... it represents the roleplayers.

About the vampires. Even they called it a trend. And if something is trend, you have lots of itdiots joining it just because it is cool. And from what I hear this kind of idiots is what annoys people ingame. And I hear awfully a lot about them, which doesn\'t indicate secrecy.
Such curse would be just fine... but only for individuals. Possibility of same curse of such power affecting lots of people isn\'t quite possible.
And if we allow vampires then why not other creatures? If you are going to forget about staying with setting then where is the border?
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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2005, 01:40:09 am »
Here\'s the issue:

Vampirism is not a \'trend\' or a \'fad\'.  It\'s a \'fashion\'.  It will ALWAYS be around to some degree.

I\'ve seen it everywhere I\'ve gone that didn\'t outright ban it.

I\'ve mentioned it as one of the patterns elsewhere.

I\'ve SEEN this before.

My original graphical RP place was so populated with them that it was unusual to see someone who was mortal.  VERY unusual.  It was like an event.  \"Oh my god... you\'re.. you\'re... NOT a vampire!?\"  Seriously.

Further, they had massive amounts of VARIETY in vampirism.  Every single one was different, it seemed.  In fact, the most popular were a group calling themselves \"Vampyres\".  And guess what their guild, which STILL has a website up, is called?

\"Dark Haven\".

No joke.

Dark Haven\'s been in operation for around ten years, if I recall properly.  And, of course, there are others.  It\'s not that hard of a name to think up in regards to vampires and the like.

Not a trend.  \"Daywalkers\" and \'damphires\" or whatever are something of a trend, but the MAJORITY of vampires lack the normal vulnerabilities.

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Other things to expect:

Characters from other worlds.  I promise you SOMEONE will have shown up from a D&D setting.  Considering I found this place myself while looking up some stuff for the 2nd edition D&D setting called \"Planescape\", wherein wikipedia pointed me -here-, I fully expect to run in to someone saying the word \"berk\".

Latest and greatest:  Someone will show up from a final fantasy game in some form or other.  I\'ve seen more Sephiroths than I can count, and absolutely none of them are the actual mythological figure in any way.

Other:  There\'s another fashion that I simply won\'t mention because I refuse to be the one who gave anyone the idea.  If you, for some bizzare reason, want to know, PM me or somesuch.  But only if you promise not to start it yourself.

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Best thing to do:

Relax.  You can\'t get rid of them unless they put up some serious anti-freeform rules.

Second best thing to do:

Twist it to your own devices.  My characters tend to patronize vampires to no end, while remaining perfectly polite and amiable.

Third best thing to do:

Isn\'t there an ignore command?
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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2005, 02:16:55 am »
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Isn\'t there an ignore command?


There is but you don\'t expect us ignore the whole world? But then I do not find those Roleplay Idiots so annoying, and if they try anything funny, I\'ll RP them to death...:D Convert the heretics!!!


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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2005, 06:37:02 am »
Hence why I kept it as the final option, heh.  I myself never ignore someone unless they\'re spamming so hard I can\'t read anything else.

Honestly though, I\'m starting to wonder where to -find- the RP at the moment.

The tavern occassionally has a large gathering of people, but it\'s at least as often empty or just has a few people saying \"I serve you drink\" and \"I drunken it all\".  I have no ill will towards people learning, but, bloody, I\'ve been RPing online for more than seven years now, and was doing Pen and Paper for a few years prior, and am an English major, for crying out loud.

Must... have... intellectual... stimulation... graaa.
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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2005, 06:50:05 am »
I think one of the greatest injustices to RPGs is the awesome graphics.  Not just computer games, I mostly play console games, but since graphics have become unparalleled storylines have suffered immensly.  Now games have great graphics but I can no longer play all the way through them.  This is what bothers me the most and why I spend most of my time playing RPGs that I have beat many times.  Even games like FFX had a lot of problems with a storyline if you ask me... most seem to be cheap carbon copies of the great games of old.  

Getting back to your main point though... really the newer players who dont RP really dont bother me.  I think that they can learn.  It takes a while to create a rp character anyway... I still have some problems and awkward moments sometimes.  But we can always improve.  Once in a while there are idiots:

One guy I had saw and greeted.. came upto me... turned around and backed into me.. then said \"kiss my ass.\"

there are alot of both.. plain idiots and RP idiots.  I say you should write a book Draklar... RP For Dummies.

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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2005, 07:07:32 am »
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The Krug:


Point A.) Man VG cats owns :D

Point B.) Though Krug is in this comic it also refers to the stupid and \"Knuckle dragging stupid\" Krug in Dungeon Siege (where the comic may get the character from) And perfectly describes most of the gaming world (i\'d rather have pika-hulka-mon personaly :/ )

EDIT: the rat-flailers are just as dumb XD
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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2005, 07:25:21 am »
Hmm, this seems like the proper place for this. Peple who dont rp at all where standing around the blacksmith and talking about some forum. Two gms where in site and didn\'t say a thing. I think gm\'s need more discipline.
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