Magic Fighting Dishonorable?

[ramlambmoo]

Do you think using tactics when fighting is dishonorable?  I mean if you\'re challenged to a duel, running around casting magic arrow on them and not getting hit.  You might say it is, but if your using magic its really the only way- if you get hit while casting then the spell gets interupted.  I mean if you do something like get a friend to repeatedly /challenge them while doing it then its obviously dishonorable. But considering you cant cast spells while your running now (i think? they changed that didnt they?) its pretty hard to pull off a win, as you have to somehow get ahead of the other person (even though they can run the same speed as you).  And then when you do manage to pull off the amazing feat of using a magic char with like 40 HP to beat a uber sword weilding person, you get called a dishonorable fighter.  Whats your opinion?

[buddha]

If you\'re going to duel, you should have ground rules, right?

I mean, a knife duel is not a sabre duel and a sabre duel is not a pistol duel.

Having said that, most of the people in the plaza are just going around flexing their \"muscles\".  I have been in bar fights where it was all \"in fun\" and noone tried to truly hurt one another.  So is the Plaza the same thing?

Personally, I think the duelers are so rude around here you should do whatever you can to kill them.  Hmm, unless you belong to a guild called \"The Noble Duelists\" or something, it\'s their fault if they challenge you can you kill them with \"freeze\".

[Moogie]

Getting people to challenge-spam someone is considered harassment. Harassment is against the Terms of Use. Things that break the rules get people kicked and banned.

[Tharizdun]

Just wait till mages can levitate and then call down fires and lightnings from the heavens to smite the poor fighter.. who will by that stage of the game have longbows, crossbows or spears and be busy turning ye olde levitating mage into a pincushion.. only to be laid low by the rogue who sneaks up behind the fighter and kills him with a single thrust of a poisoned dagger to the back of the skull!

All classes and class-combinations will fight differently to some extent.. you cant really expect any given character type to neglect their area of expertise because it will confer an unfair advantage in duels.. which are at the moment fairly unstructured and informal anyways.

[confused]

Originally posted by Moogie
Getting people to challenge-spam someone is considered harassment. Harassment is against the Terms of Use. Things that break the rules get people kicked and banned.

I hate it with a living passion of being harrassed by other players, especially in the plaza area. We have other creatures (NPCs too) to train our skills on. Just use them.

[Valbrandr]

I think using magic on an unknowing victim is dishonorable.  It has happened to me before.  Tactics are fine, and someone should know whether or not you are a magic user as well.  But just tell people... without a distinct class system it is very difficult to know who does and who doesnt use magic.  I also understand there is not many tactics that can be used as of now.... so I can see why people do it.  But I would never do it because I try to use good tactics and not anything cheap... I want to beat someone because I am better... not because I can run around and hit them with magic.  Truly I think the people who fight honorable are better at what they do and will win out in the end.

[Efflixi Aduro]

In real life, when somone tells you that you\'re going to fight to the death the last thing you care about will be honor. You\'ll just want to survive and you will do anything to do so.

And also, magic should respectable because of the knowledge needed to use it.

Edit: Magic is horrably unbalanced right now too. Im guessing later when its fixed and you used 4glyph combos a single spell will turn a great fighter into a puddle of flesh and blood
I think mages will be very hard to raise in ps but I think they will have immense power. Only time will tell.

[Tharizdun]

Originally posted by Valbrandr
Truly I think the people who fight honorable are better at what they do and will win out in the end.

Ah.. the sweet tasty morsel that is a yet-uncorrupted and naive soul still given to the helplessly uncompromising stance of honor and idealism..

How delightful! One hopes that the worms feasting on your ravaged carcass will appreciate the fine, upstanding and ethical values you held in your brief but entertaining life.

[Valbrandr]

Magic and magic users are many things... but not honorable.  In addition they are nothing without warriors in front of them...  They are supporters... we warriors are the focus point.  There can be warriors without mages but not mages without warriors.

[Efflixi Aduro]

Magic is very honrable. These things you say are making no sense. A wrrior can just be a big guy and be great, but, you have to dedicate your life to magic. And there is nothing wrong with being a support unit. And just to let you know, mages aren\'t. Warriors hold back the enemy as mages pluck their souls.

[Valbrandr]

And there is nothing wrong with being a support unit. And just to let you know, mages aren\'t. Warriors hold back the enemy as mages pluck their souls.

So then they are.  Mages (white, black whatever) are supporters... very helpful... but supporters.  There are no great mages without great warriors.  I am sorry to crush your spirit Efflixi

PS:  Both can be dishonorable... to me it is kind of like the guy who fights with a swoed against a gun... who is more honorable?

[Waylayen]

A good, highly skilled mage doesn\'t need a warrior in front of him, the magic would defend him good enough. A higher level  mage who uses his magic wise will win from the higher level fighter. (unless the figther uses his newly bought portable balista of mage slaying )

Both can win, just depends on how they use their skills.

[ramlambmoo]

Magic and magic users are many things... but not honorable. In addition they are nothing without warriors in front of them... They are supporters... we warriors are the focus point. There can be warriors without mages but not mages without warriors.

This is the attitude im talking about... what is there that is dishonorable about using magic?  Just because we use our heads as well as our skills.... honestly the only reason for this sort of attitude is that you want a predictable fight so that you know you will win and you dont have to face an opponent that may beat you even though his stats arnt better...   You would define honorable as charging towards each other and bashing each other until the person with the better stats win...?  If not what is your definition?  The greatest, most honorable warriers remembered are the leaders who used tactics- Hannibal, Scipio, Alexander, Ceaser, Napoleon, Kahn- the people who thought of battle as not just people rushing at each other but thought to plan it out and use strategy to their advantage.  Would you say these men (ok, politically correct these fighters) were dishonorable?

[Valbrandr]

Sorry, No, I believe tactics are wonderful... but running away casting spells is a no brainer.  I know quite a bit about tactics and yes I would call many of the great leaders dishonorable... Listen.. in real life honor does not win out... technology does.  Look what happened to all of the great warrior civilizations... they are no more.

And Waylayen, great fighters always win if a mage has no shield to protect him.

[ramlambmoo]

No tactics are wonderful... but running away casting spells is a no brainer. I know quite a bit about tactics and yes I would call many of the great leaders dishonorable... Listen.. in real life honor does not win out... technology does. Look what happened to all of the great warrior civilizations... they are no more.  

That paragraph makes no sense whatsoever.
First up, explain to me how running away casting spells is a no brainer.  If you get hit, the spell is interupted, so you cant stand there and cast spells.  How else then would you use magic in one vs one?  Magic dosnt even work as support at the moment because the fighters cant really protect the mages- because you can run through other people, so the fighters cant form a sheild around the mages or stop the attackers getting to them.
You would call many of the great leaders dishonorable? Who then?
In real life using no tactics dosnt work out.  And yes all the great warrier civilisations died out... but whats your point? What exactly does that show?