RP and Non-RP words

[Draklar]

Wow, this is sad...
First of all it\'s called Planeshift because of existance of portals by which various races could get into Yliakum from other realms.
Second,

Originally posted by Exaero_Fiero

Because lightsaber as a well known word is instantly connected with Star Wars.

 Keeping in mind my previous paragraph, where did you get to watch Star Wars in the world of PlaneShift?

You know there is lots of offensive words that weren\'t used in middle ages. I suppose you would like them allowed as characters\' and guilds\' names too, ey?
Now for the main point, I watched Star Wars irl and that happens to be enough for me to connect \"lightsaber\" with the movies. Just like when I see \"Stormtrooper\" I don\'t think \"a soldier who rides during a storm\". There is one serious flaw in your logic that you seem to not understand:
Players are not their characters.
They are affected by real life.
Sometimes it\'s enough hard to get into character, no need for making it even harder by adding words that have too big connection with rl movies and such.

[Exaero_Fiero]

Originally posted by Draklar
Wow, this is sad...
First of all it\'s called Planeshift because of existance of portals by which various races could get into Yliakum from other realms.

Really? Excuse my ignorance, as I, counter to the truth, used logic and it presented an apprehensible result for me.

Now for the main point, I watched Star Wars irl and that happens to be enough for me to connect \"lightsaber\" with the movies. Just like when I see \"Stormtrooper\" I don\'t think \"a soldier who rides during a storm\". There is one serious flaw in your logic that you seem to not understand:
Players are not their characters.
They are affected by real life.
Sometimes it\'s enough hard to get into character, no need for making it even harder by adding words that have too big connection with rl movies and such.

 
 It can be an excuse, for anyone who doesn\'t strife for a perfection, otherwise... Don\'t you think, the most effective roleplayer is someone who can literally become his/her charater for the moments in-game? Yet, to become a different character means also to start thinking differently and character in-game had not seen or heard anything the real person heard or seen in real life.

 Sounds like you, my friend, do not dream at all, and thus even for a moment cannot leave your real life. It is sad indeed.

[Socrates Demise]

If it wasn\'t for Ole StarWars

I could use Storm Trooper as a rank in my guild for those members who work as a group at storm into battle and take over building and such... I could also equip all of these Troopers with Light Sabers because they have a good range and speed of attack.

But as soon as I told someone that all my Storm Troopers had Light Sabers they would hear Stormtroopers with Lightsabers and ask if I was Darth Vader... You see the problem? It\'s not that the words don\'t belong It is that the Connotations to the words do not belong...

I would have to stop role-playing to explain to the other player what I meant buy Storm Troopers and Light Sabers

It just kinda kills the mood...

Back to the Shakespearian English:
I understand why many role-players prefer to use this to give a feeling of ancientness to the game - but I don\'t feel it is entirely necessary.

Most people (myself included) do not really know how to correctly set up a sentence in \"The King\'s English\" and so we misuse the different forms of you (thee, thy, thou) and other things like that.  

This not only distracts me from role-playing because I?m more focused on trying to say the word correctly than I am on saying what I mean.  It also distracts those who understand it because they feel the need to correct me, or they secretly wince behind their monitor at home.

(I can\'t imagine the trouble we would have if we were actually trying to use the English of the period that the game actually has set we would be using Middle English like Chaucer... Have you read The Canterbury Tales?  Or maybe even Old English like Beowulf that could be fun )

Edit: Speeling

[Draklar]

No, I will not excuse your ignorance

Not only you forget that not everyone are perfect roleplayers, but also your statements are cliche and pretty much untrue.
The most effective roleplayer is someone who always behaves as his char would.
I usually think as my char would, but I am able to leave it only as my alter ego.
What you are talking about is leaving touch with reality. Not exactly what skilled roleplayer strives for.

Sounds like you, my friend, do not dream at all, and thus even for a moment cannot leave your real life. It is sad indeed.

I am afraid to ask for logic which formed this statement

But just to ridicule you, I am a member of a knighthood irl. Going into the world of swords and stuff isn\'t much of leaving my real life indeed

[Xalthar]

You people can argue about just about anything can\'t you? Oh well, I guess this forum isn\'t that different from all the other game forums out there..

Star Wars is a massive phenomenon, the sheer size of the commercial empire Lucas has made on those movies should be reason enough to assume that virtually \"everyone\" knows what a lightsaber is in Star Wars and thus when the word is mentioned, the parrallel is instantly drawn.

On the other hand I do, however, believe that enforcing all these RP names (and trying to force RP language on to others) will prove futile in the end..

[Exaero_Fiero]

Originally posted by Draklar
Not only you forget that not everyone are perfect roleplayers, but also your statements are cliche and pretty much untrue.

Then prove me wrong...

The most effective roleplayer is someone who always behaves as his char would.
I usually think as my char would, but I am able to leave it only as my alter ego.
What you are talking about is leaving touch with reality. Not exactly what skilled roleplayer strives for.

Matter of *cough* opinion *cough*...

I am afraid to ask for logic which formed this statement

Ok... My logic had been the following chain: Draklar says, that when he hears word lightsaber, he thinks of Star Wars ==>  Draklar always makes connections to real life, wherever he is ==> Draklar lives with reality ==> Draklar can\'t live in dreams. And thus, doesn\'t dream.

But just to ridicule you, I am a member of a knighthood irl. Going into the world of swords and stuff isn\'t much of leaving my real life indeed

This is ridiculous!

[Kaseijin]

Originally posted by Socrates Demise



Most people (myself included) do not really know how to correctly set up a sentence in \"The King\'s English\" and so we misuse the different forms of you (thee, thy, thou) and other things like that.  

this so true, old english is not just using different pronouns it\'s grammar is a bit different, the word order. And using old english would confuse the players with weaker english skills. I say just speak the regular common english without computer speak... or possibly without words like \'cool\'....even though it\'s hard to root out some of that stuff, we use it without much thought.... i don\'t want to spend 2 minutes rephrasing each sentance so it would sound more ancient. Roleplay. If someone says awesome...imagine he used some similar word from olden english which has become obsolete by now. Plus olden english might open opprotunities for cheap shot jokes like \'i am feeling so gay now that i slew that vermin\'.
wait wait wait
there were too many language based disucssion as it is.... i am not going to start another one

[Exaero_Fiero]

Yeah,  I bet people hate it, when the thread becomes the discussion of something else, but the original thought.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Exaero_Fiero

The most effective roleplayer is someone who always behaves as his char would.
I usually think as my char would, but I am able to leave it only as my alter ego.
What you are talking about is leaving touch with reality. Not exactly what skilled roleplayer strives for.

Matter of *cough* opinion *cough*...

Well proving you wrong isn\'t a hard thing really:
Once the border between you and your character doesn\'t exist, either your char has your personality, or you your char\'s. One doesn\'t differ from another. That means you aren\'t roleplaying anymore, but are yourself. How obvious...

Draklar says, that when he hears word lightsaber, he thinks of Star Wars ==> Draklar always makes connections to real life

I love your logic, I really do :rolleyes:

[Nikodemus]

I gues i\'m lucky to hear about lightsabre and Star Wars and dont know what are you talking about I realized only after few seconds.
I\'m sorry for english people that they have the same word \'light\' for kind of weigh and degree of brightness. =P
But i\'m really sorry for those who see no difference in \"light sable\" and \"lightsable\"

Just my few tria. Hope I haven\'t offended anyone.

[Exaero_Fiero]

Originally posted by Draklar
Well proving you wrong isn\'t a hard thing really:
Once the border between you and your character doesn\'t exist, either your char has your personality, or you your char\'s. One doesn\'t differ from another. That means you aren\'t roleplaying anymore, but are yourself. How obvious...

 I suggested that a real life person can become somebody else in game, becoming his character in game doesn\'t mean that one loses one\'s personality. One only acts as if one has a different personality.

 You can think of it, as you still haven\'t changed my original position.

[Scots Saseg]

Emmm a Storm Trooper in your guild thats not quite possable just now as a Trooper was a cavalryman not an infantryman there\'s no horses. Troopers (cavalry) would charge a position or enemy Infantry would storm.
Apart from that if the setting is medievil then there are no troopers the army then consisted of Footmen Archers and Knights  basically.

[Hatchnet]

Originally posted by Scots Saseg
Emmm a Storm Trooper in your guild thats not quite possable just now as a Trooper was a cavalryman not an infantryman there\'s no horses. Troopers (cavalry) would charge a position or enemy Infantry would storm.
Apart from that if the setting is medievil then there are no troopers the army then consisted of Footmen Archers and Knights  basically.

I suggest you recheck your history Alexander the Great used storm troopers quite often and no they WERE NOT  calvary.


Moreover this whole thread is arguing about semantics. The conotation of words in real life should have no bearing on their conotaion in game. I mean realy if you were playing AD&D and your character found a +1 light saber are you going to conjure up an image of Lucas\'s tecnalogical creation or are you going to conjur up an image of a saber with a blade made of light?

O and one more thing if you disallow word combinations like light saber and dark heart because they are familiar to us in rl why do we have magic which is far more famous and far more likely to conjure up images of anouther steeing?

[Draklar]

Probably because when we hear \"magic\" we usually think of fantasy, not about gallaxy far far away...

[Incenjucar]

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Do you have any idea how many cuss words are historically unscathing?

The \"N-Word\" used to be no worse than calling someone an idiot in the middle ages.  Chaucer uses the term.