What do you think about this??

[Phalanx]

Originally posted by Valbrandr

Theres no excuse for why the penalty shouldn\'t have been longer or why it shouldn\'t have been execution. People can say oh I don\'t believe in that kind of stuff, it isn\'t right blah blah blah...but really you can\'t make that decision until you yourself get to experience your child being dragged off and brutally slaughtered...then I think you have the right to make the decision to what happens to those who have done it. That goes for any other type of murder.

Do not forget these are just 10 year old boys here... 10 is too young to die for a crime.  And if they dont understand the magnitude of what they did... let them rot in a prison cell for a good amount of time.

But really... two kids at the age of 10? very disturbing indeed, and well I believe in the saying \"an eye for an eye\" as some mentioned, yet I for one would rather see them rot in jail... as death penalty is just a few moment and then you\'re death...

Please tell me you are IC when you say you believe in a eye for an eye.  If you are OOC then I have to ask how closed minded are you?  I hate to even see that... Look what the people who believe in that have done throughout history, they just kill because it was the right thing to do... Are you fanatical or just a crazy Christian .

Like I said you have to be the spot of the mother or father, sister or brother, you need to experience it before you start saying no I would never do such things and I am against it because I bet 9/10 you would say put a bullet in that guys head!

[Valbrandr]

My comments were not meant to offend you... but I am very serious in the questions I ask.  No one wants to see people die (well, unless maybe you are George Bush, lol/jk) but should we kill someone because they killed?  It will have no affect on those who kill to place extreme penatlies on killing.  I believe most people will kill either way... whether or not the severity of the penalty.  That sounds to me like going to war to create peace.  True peace through war will never happen.  Nor using death to prevent death.  Europe has already figured this out (Sometimes I wish I lived in Europe).  And I will also have you know.. that because of the appeals system we spend more money trying to execute people then imprisioning them their whole lives.

 These people who do such things should not get the easy road out.  Make them stay alive and live with what they have done.  More killing will do nothing other than hurt our progressing society...

Edit: I am a parent... and if it happened it would be the most terrible of things.  But taking their life could never fill the void lost.  It would do nothing for anyone... other then 2 being dead instead of one.

[Jazeera]

No offence taken, and well in one way I agree with you but in another I disagree. Well of course it won\'t fill the void lost, but still it wouldn\'t be nice to know that in a few years he will be out on the streets again, as you know I live in Europe or Denmark more precisely and here they will get out like in no time, NO MATTER WHAT they do... and well our prisons are like a hotel, with tv and comfortable bed and so on. So well in the part of Europe I live in, I don\'t see that as much of a punishment :S

[Kixie]

Originally posted by Platyna
Kixie, it is not about morality of killing etc. it is about social security, if some
person has such instincts it is not a human, it is not even an animal, it is
very dangerous monster what should be removed from the society ASAP to
not poison it anymore. In nature everything ill and weak is removed, we
are human, we can take care about ill and weak members of our society
but we can\'t take care of such monsters, we can\'t feed them, give them
any priviledges and what is most important -  we can\'t let them to be alive
or free. Punishment for such crime such be an example and warning for
other who even if has such instincts to never let them out.

Regards.

I\'m sure thats easy to say here, but go to death row and actually talk to people who have killed before. You\'ll see that they aren\'t that different. All humans harbor the ability to kill one of their own kind. To mutilate, to destroy. It is amazingly closeminded of people to sit here on the internet like these people are monsters, when we aren\'t very different at all. We all have these emotions and feelings and the only difference between us and a Ted Bundy is emotional stresses and enviorments.

[Phalanx]

Originally posted by Kixie

Originally posted by Platyna
Kixie, it is not about morality of killing etc. it is about social security, if some
person has such instincts it is not a human, it is not even an animal, it is
very dangerous monster what should be removed from the society ASAP to
not poison it anymore. In nature everything ill and weak is removed, we
are human, we can take care about ill and weak members of our society
but we can\'t take care of such monsters, we can\'t feed them, give them
any priviledges and what is most important -  we can\'t let them to be alive
or free. Punishment for such crime such be an example and warning for
other who even if has such instincts to never let them out.

Regards.

I\'m sure thats easy to say here, but go to death row and actually talk to people who have killed before. You\'ll see that they aren\'t that different. All humans harbor the ability to kill one of their own kind. To mutilate, to destroy. It is amazingly closeminded of people to sit here on the internet like these people are monsters, when we aren\'t very different at all. We all have these emotions and feelings and the only difference between us and a Ted Bundy is emotional stresses and enviorments.

Why are you defending killers guilty of their crimes? Sure they aren\'t that different but you know what the difference is they did commit the crime...they made a choice...blame it on stress, blame it on a voice in their head...it doesn\'t matter they did the crime and they are monsters, murders, idiots and it is right for us not to sympathize with them and hope their lives are a living hell. If someone killed me son, I don\'t think I would be able to say oh they aren\'t that different they have emotional distress take it easy on them -_- and if I did say that..I would be a bad father

[Kixie]

Originally posted by Phalanx

Originally posted by Kixie

Originally posted by Platyna
Kixie, it is not about morality of killing etc. it is about social security, if some
person has such instincts it is not a human, it is not even an animal, it is
very dangerous monster what should be removed from the society ASAP to
not poison it anymore. In nature everything ill and weak is removed, we
are human, we can take care about ill and weak members of our society
but we can\'t take care of such monsters, we can\'t feed them, give them
any priviledges and what is most important -  we can\'t let them to be alive
or free. Punishment for such crime such be an example and warning for
other who even if has such instincts to never let them out.

Regards.

I\'m sure thats easy to say here, but go to death row and actually talk to people who have killed before. You\'ll see that they aren\'t that different. All humans harbor the ability to kill one of their own kind. To mutilate, to destroy. It is amazingly closeminded of people to sit here on the internet like these people are monsters, when we aren\'t very different at all. We all have these emotions and feelings and the only difference between us and a Ted Bundy is emotional stresses and enviorments.

Why are you defending killers guilty of their crimes? Sure they aren\'t that different but you know what the difference is they did commit the crime...they made a choice...blame it on stress, blame it on a voice in their head...it doesn\'t matter they did the crime and they are monsters, murders, idiots and it is right for us not to sympathize with them and hope their lives are a living hell. If someone killed me son, I don\'t think I would be able to say oh they aren\'t that different they have emotional distress take it easy on them -_- and if I did say that..I would be a bad father

I\'m not defending their actions in any way. But it\'s amazing how different your tune would be if your son was the murderer.

[Phalanx]

Trust me, my tune would be all the same...I would love my son still but I wouldn\'t defend his actions in anyway...its not good to install the idea you can do such a crime but ill be on your side still..

[Jazeera]

There are bad sides about Death Penalty, actually there are some of those to are executed who actually were innocents... so the Death Penalty is not the best way to do this...

[Kixie]

Originally posted by Phalanx
Trust me, my tune would be all the same...I would love my son still but I wouldn\'t defend his actions in anyway...its not good to install the idea you can do such a crime but ill be on your side still..

You would tell the world to tear your own son limb from limb? Some how I do not beleive that. But then again I don\'t know you that well. But if I did, and you told me that in person, then I would take you as psycho as any serial killer or sexual predator.

[Platyna]

Look. I can underestand, for example, (it was a known case) a person who
had a restaurant and killed people who were blackmailing him with hurting
him and his family if he will not pay them every week - it is very common in
Poland. Furthermore - I do support him. But those monsters are
10 years old kids, they didn\'t even wanted to rob him, they just wanted to
beat a person who had no chance to defend himself, and at age 10 years
old they knew very well they did wrong and will be punished for it therefore
tried to hide their doings. So you can\'t use an argument that they didn\'t
knew what they are doing while they knew it very, very well.

Regards.

[Harkin]

all i have say:

If you kill me, I WILL kill you back!

nuff said

[faldrok]

I agree with Phalanx. We have all experienced the sensation of wanting to kill someone - some more than others. The only thing that separates us from the murderers and serial killers is that we have self-control. Once that self-control breaks, you cross the line. After you have crossed the line, you should expect to be punished.

Originally posted by Valbrandr
No one wants to see people die (well, unless maybe you are George Bush, lol/jk) but should we kill someone because they killed? It will have no affect on those who kill to place extreme penatlies on killing. I believe most people will kill either way... whether or not the severity of the penalty.

I have to disagree with you here. You are basically saying that laws are pointless, hmm? The Death Penalty has stopped many people from committing crimes, such as murder. Hell, if there wasn\'t any punishment for murder, I can assure you that there would be a hell of a lot more deaths around the World. Like I said earlier, it is human nature to want to kill because we, too, have animal instincts, and we are still participating in the survival of the fittest. If you are weak, you lose. No one wants to lose; hence, people kill. Although, what they don\'t release is that, in reality, they are the true losers.

Self-control, people. That is the real subject here. Either you have it or you don\'t. Either you crossed the line, or you haven\'t. Either you die, or you live to see another day...just prolonging your life until you die.

I am such a pessimist.

[Ghostslayer]

This sort of thing is what bothers me about the law system in general.  There are other cases (while maybe not as extreme) where people under 18 do terrible things and get off or rediculously small sentences because they are young.
Personally, I think all crimes should be judged the same.  First degree murder (and whatever other charges would be brought up) should always equal life inprisonment (25 years?).  At that time they could re-evaluate if individuals such as this were mentally stable enough to re-enter society.
I personally don\'t agree with the death penalty, since after their sentence, they still would have many years of their life to live properly.

[Valbrandr]

Faldrok I never said to get rid of any laws.  I merely said that teh death penalty does not stop people from killing.  

Like I said earlier, it is human nature to want to kill because we, too, have animal instincts, and we are still participating in the survival of the fittest. If you are weak, you lose. No one wants to lose; hence, people kill. Although, what they don\'t release is that, in reality, they are the true losers.

I am guessing you are a conservative.  Human Nature to kill?  What are you talking about?  And in addition there is no such thing as survival of the fittest anymore.. everyone survives one way or another.

[faldrok]

Well, the way you made it sound, it seemed like you thought punishment, like the Death Penalty, is pointless when instead, it prevents some people, like me, from killing someone.

And you know damn well what I am talking about. I know a lot of people that have told me that they want to kill someone, but they don\'t want to to go Prison or get the Death Penalty. I, myself, have even thought to kill someone, but I used my better judgement and decided against it. So, don\'t tell me that Humans don\'t want to kill, and don\'t say that the Death Penalty doesn\'t work because I can assure you that it works.

Survival of the Fittest? Sure, it lives on, and it will live on for eternity. Obviously, it has been made super easy nowadays and almost no one fails because of the ease, but some do. Take Africa for example. They don\'t have enough food to give everyone there a well-balanced and nutritious meal. Some of them (maybe) kill others just to take their food, or they have thought about it. What about War? It\'s either kill or be killed. I consider that Survival of the Fittest...don\'t you? So, yes, I agree. Survival of the Fittest isn\'t as prominent now as it was say, 500 years ago, but it still lives on and always will.

Just to clarify. I\'m not a conservatist. I think what I think about any subject I want to think about. If my views seem convservative at times, then so be it. I don\'t classify myself as anything but varied.