What do you think about this??

[Valbrandr]

What about War? It\'s either kill or be killed. I consider that Survival of the Fittest...don\'t you?

I think war is stupid personally...  Too often I believe it has nothing to do with the ability to survival but the ability to flourish.  It is not, \"if we do not do this we cannot make it\".. It is, \"Hey, if we take that oil over there we would  be able to make a helluva lot more money.\"  

But getting back to the case: So you think that two ten year old boys who could not control their rage (or whatever) as someone who possesed better rationale should get the death penalty?  I do agree that the unmentionable crime that the boys did warrented life in prision.  But killing ten years olds I can never agree with.

PS:  Maybe I am different but I have never truly felt like killing someone (Well, other than sep )... maybe I have felt like beating the crap out of someone.. on many occasions but never kill.  And personally the reason I do not kill is because for one I can control my anger and that is just not the type of person I am.  It has nothing to do with the punishments, I would just try to get away with it as all do and if I were caught and would appeal, appeal, and appeal.  Wasteing everyones tax money.

[Watcher]

I am against the death penenalty for all crimes, for one reason. If govemernts learn that they can make pepole obey them by putting people to death.

Saying that I still cannot condone the death penalty, perhaps the rest of there life in a physcoligical clinic and only let out when there is no chance they will hurt anyone.

I think releasing them wouldn\'t have been as bad. But by offering them new identities they are letting them live the rest of their lives free of the reminder and thus the guilt of what they did.

That depends on the person. I have a guilt complex and could never forget something that bad.

[Xordan]

I\'d like to point out that our whole society revolves around violence. It\'s introduced to our children from a very youg age. How old were you when you had your first waterpistol? Alot of childrens TV programs are violent in nature. Toys, especially for boys, are violent in nature. People go paintballing. Alot of computer games are violent. People enjoy shooting each other on FPS games. You kill things on RTS, RPGS etc.

So it is human nature to like violence. It\'s just a past instinct which will probably never go away. We have evolved to have self-control, but also evolution has allowed us to \'explore\' our violent nature, making it become pleasurable as well as just an instinct. Some people lack the self control. Some people take less pleasure from it. The killers are the people who take alot of pleasure from it, and who have little self control.

[faldrok]

Xordan: You basically said what I\'ve been saying... :rolleyes:

Valbrandr: Get the 10-year-olds out of your head. They AREN\'T 10 years old anymore. If this happened in 1993 like Dfryer said, then they would be around 22 depending on when their birthday is, when the crime occured, etc. etc. But, the thing that makes me want them to go to the Death Penalty is that they KNEW what they were doing was wrong 12 years ago. They could have easily thought \"I want to torture some random kid, but I will decide against it.\"

That brings me to another point. Did the two kids know the 3-year-old that they killed? If not, then it wasn\'t self-control they are lacking - it is a sane mine. I don\'t see how a 10-year-old boy can be enemies with a 3-year-old boy. There is just no logic in that. So, I am thinking that they took this kid randomly. Random deaths, to me, are worse than plotted ones for revenge. Yeah, yeah...you guys may think I am crazy, but I believe that Revenge should be at least smiled on for a bit. Most people kill murderers which in my opinion is good except that they, now, are the murderers. Endless cycle.

I do admit, however, that the Death Penalty will not solve every problem, but it helps, and it is cheaper than housing an inmate for 50 years. I mean, sure, it could cost a lot, but all you need is to get some cheap poison like rat poison (I forget the name of it...) and inject it into people, or we could always use the guillotine again. It worked great in the past...

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[Valbrandr]

That brings me to another point. Did the two kids know the 3-year-old that they killed? If not, then it wasn\'t self-control they are lacking - it is a sane mine.

If they are not sane then they defienatly should not get the death penalty.  They should spend their lives in a mental hospital or something.  

and it is cheaper than housing an inmate for 50 years. I mean, sure, it could cost a lot, but all you need is to get some cheap poison like rat poison (I forget the name of it...) and inject it into people, or we could always use the guillotine again. It worked great in the past...

The expensive cost is not what is used to kill the person.  It is the appeals they get before the sentence is carried out.  And a inmate who gets.. I think 6 appeals.. uses up more tax payer money than keeping them alive fo the next however many years.

[Efflixi Aduro]

I would like to point out another case that can relate to this one.
A 13 year old boy stole a toyota and was spotted by a cop driving on the freeway. The cop pulled him over and when the cop was walking up to the boy in the car the boy florred it in revese and attempted to run him over. The cop in response to this shot the boy, 10 times. The boy is dead and they dont know if the cop should be prosecuted or not. They also say it could be a racial thing since the boy was black.

[faldrok]

Valbrandr: I really think they should do away with appeals. Or, just give each person one...maybe two. But, no more than that. I mean, if you killed the person, and everyone knows you killed the person, and even you admit to it or don\'t deny it, appeals are pointless. Hell, all someone needs is evidence to prove you were there, and appeals should be out of the question from then on until your death.

Like I mentioned earlier, we should bring back guillotines, gallows, or just line them up and shoot \'em. Pretty simple, and very cheap. That is, if you count the maximum 1 (or 2) appeals that a person can have. Perfect solution. Perfect...

To Efflixi\'s story: I don\'t think the Policeman should be punished much, or if at all. He pulled someone over, in this case a kid, and the kid tried to hurt or kill him. If I was in his position, I would have shot the kid. The problem with the officer\'s shooting is that he shot him 10 times; way too many times. He was probably a young, inexperienced cop, and this was probably one of his first encounters with danger. I mean, put yourself in his shoes. That situation is a life or death matter. If you are faced with that, you will protect yourself in ANY way possible unless, of course, you want to die. About the racism: I highly doubt this was about racism and if it was, it was not the driving factor for the shooting. Racism is still around, but not as common. Most people still throw that out with ANY encounter between a white person and a black person, and in other cases. To me, it is stupid. If this guy was a KKK member, then hell yeah, it was racism. But, without knowing more about the Policeman, I think racism is out of the question. In conclusion, I think he should get a cut in pay for 3 months or so for acting carelessly under pressure, but I don\'t think he should be fired or put in Jail. He was just doing his job. He may not be the best cop out there, but at least he did his job...sorta.

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[Xordan]

If the policeman shot the boy 10 times point blank, or very close, then he should be fired I think. One or two is all that\'s needed. 5 is over the top, but 10 is just stupid. If it was from a distance then it probably can be excused. The car was probably moving away from the policeman so the guy shot at the boy from the rear end of the car, trying to stop him. Maybe the guy has really accurate aim and got 10/10. Improbable, but possible,

[Efflixi Aduro]

Actually the boy tried running over the cop in reverse. I think he was a new cop or somthing.

[Moogie]

In regards to the original topic, I remember this case on the news, and I think it\'s horrific and disgusting. What kind of parents must spawn inhuman \'things\' like that? All 4 of them should be shot (parents and children).

Just my 2 pennies.

[Tharizdun]

In the US it is cheaper to jail someone for life than to sentence them to death, due to the appeals process which is very expensive. Also, the US Supreme Court has just ruled that people under the age of 18 when commiting a crime cannot be given the death penalty.

But this is Britain, I\'m not sure what laws are applicable in a case like this. Personally I think that for kids to torture and murder others is a sign that they are screwed up in the head. Maybe they dont have a fully developed sense of right and wrong by the age of 10, certainly its not comparable any any way to that of an adult. But nonetheless, the reason that the prison system exists is to protect society from those who would do it harm.

People sick enough to torture and kill others at any age should be in a place well away from everyone else for a long long time. Whether they killed because they are evil or insane makes no real difference, they are a huge threat to others all the same. I could never trust a person like this to be free in an area that I lived in.

[Gilibran]

I try to avoid topics like this, but here\'s my opinion, killing another person is wrong and should be heavily punished we all agree on that. but if we all agree that killing a person is wrong who are we to kill a person who has killed another person?

eye for an eye, sure, but who\'s going to do it. who here has the guts to excecute a person with a chainsaw, 40 knife thrusts or what other horrific way a human can be killed in. Ever thought about that?

Imagine the most horrific and painfull death possible, then think about the eye for an eye concept. would you want to be the one to execute it on the killer?

death penalty is the easy way, giving them life in prison without a chance of ever getting released is a much greater penalty then death. Death is a way out and an end to punishment, being locked up for the rest of you\'re life without a chance of ever getting out is a much greater punishment then death imo. If I knew i would be locked up in a 2 by 2 cell for the rest of my life i\'d rather be dead and rid of it...... think about it. They only suffer those agonising months before execution but then it\'s over for them.....

[Krayn]

Those little pieces of shit killed an innocent child I would raise them over a cliff by there testicles with a crain and drop them AND LAUGH AND LAUGH AND ASAY GOT O HELL