Fine line between racism and ignorance.

[RussianVodka]

It realy upsets me to see how few people fit on the thin line between racism and ignorance.

Let me explain by using the standard white guy/black guy comparison.

You see, on one spectrum of racism, you have those people who think that one color of person is better then the other. I dont think I have to explain the classic concept of the white person thinking the black one is worthless shit, and visa-versa.
But the racism that pisses me off, is the kind that people tend to not notice. Like when you see a person say something racist against another \"type\" of people, and to cover it us he will say something like \"Oh, its ok.. One of my best friends is black/white.\" It\'s like you\'re saying that this specific person is not like any of your other friends because of their skin color.
Or when on television when a company wants to show how people-friendly they are, they ALMOST ALWAYS show the black guy, white guy, and asian girl. But then again, I guess true diversity comes from people that look different... not from those who have different ideas/opinions. :rolleyes:

Then there is the other side of the spectrum. It\'s those ignorant people that will NEVER admit that there is in fact a difference between people\'s nationalities. They will never admit that these people have been treated differently through out history. They will never admit that people are being treated differently now. They are completely blind to the fact that racism does exist. Some may argue that there is nothing wrong with those people, and that they are not doing the world any harm. But on the other hand ignoring that an enemy existed, lead to WWII... go figure.

Ok, by the time I finished, I forgot why I was writing this... I think it had something to do with there being few decent people when it came to segrigation... But I\'m sure you\'re smart enough to figure out the moral of the story on your own.

P.S. I just used blacks and whites cuz this is the most common picture of racism in America... They can be substituded by Jews/Muslims, Men/Women, McDonalds/Burgerking, and many others.

[Phinehas]

I\'d have to say that in my personal experience, I noticed that second group of people a lot more in the east(eastern Europe, etc.) than in the west. I\'m sure they exist there, too, though.

By the way, I just noticed your sig, and had to reply to it. The proper answer would be....

13. 1 to answer the question. 4 to argue about the answer. 4 to flame the newbie. Aendar to warn that the thread will get locked. 2 to flame Aendar for being over zealous. Moogie to lock the thread.

[Monketh]

I must admit that when I first see a black male, if he is dressed poorly(like a \"gangsta\" ) I probably won\'t expect much good of him.
I must also admit that I think asians are cool.  
(I suspect asians perform better in school because A:They\'re immigrants or children of immigrants, and B:Asia places more value on education.  This is just my rich white man\'s theory though, so don\'t take anything I\'m saying here too seriously.)
We all know of course, that all white americans either want to be black or asian.  When\'s the last time you heard someone say they were proud to be white? :baby:

Don\'t forget those people who think that all of Europe is France, Germany, and Britain; and that all of Asia is China and Japan; and that all of Africa is one giant third-world country.

Anywho, there are some genetic grounds for varying medical treatments and what to watch for problems, but they\'re not huge, and not a justification for any other discrimination.

[Phalanx]

Oh why must we even speak of this racisim, makes me sick...and also let me say this racisim works both ways and seems to start by one race leaning against the other and then generations later it turning the other way around. For example...

White Vs. Black

Certain Black Societies of the world were oppressed by the \"White Man\" years upon years ago. Since then things have changed, very few white people take racisim againsts black people much anymore. If anything we have \"Black\" people being racist towards \"Whites\", ok they could be mad some of them perhaps the ones who have experienced it but so many live in the past. You have \"Black\" people potraying themselves in rap songs, movies, televisions, BET as hard thug ghetto living people oppressed purely by the white man.   Really its all a bunch of crap don\'t blame crap on others for your own bad choices in life or the situations you were born into like living in a bad neighbor hood.

Bah Sorry getting alittle off topic but I see so much of this crap, everytime I pass the BET: Black Entertainment Television I just want to toss the damn television out the window. We want to be equal and have color not matter?! OK?! Lets make a channel focused on ONE race and have all the material on it talking it up about oppression and the evil whitie -_-

Bah whatever...continue on ^^

[Foresteer]

Originally posted by Monketh
When\'s the last time you heard someone say they were proud to be white? :baby:

I\'m proud as hell to be white i can sunburn from lamp-light! (still am proud though)

and i agree with phalanx on the whole BET thing.. i mean i get the SPANISH channels because they speak a whole other language.. a black/white channel thing is kinda pointlesss.. neither of us need our own channels as we all speak the same language (cept cajuns.. i love you guys but c\'mon now... XD) and i also get the mens and womens channels men and women think fundelmentaly diffferent.. and without \"spike\" i wouldn\'t be watching MXC and i would be very pissed

But then again i hate all \"gangsta being held back by the man\"s even the poor trash white people.. its not skin.. its a type of person.. i judge them on thier actions and thoughts just like the good doctor dreamed of and i find them absolutely revloting on those thoughts and actions

i try my hardest to be on the very thin line (dont have to try hardly at all though.. i was raised on captian planet and PBS )

EDIT: also being a liberal i find gangtas racist to even other \"gangtas\" and ongodly misogynistic.. and again being the resident \"pinko hippy long-hair commy love everybody tree-hugger femi-nazi unamerican sissy\" i find that fundimentaly wrong

[snow_RAveN]

Stereotyping is ignorence, generaly hateing and dislikeing any race for no good a reason is racesium. ( well thats how i define it)

calling someone a chink, sand digger, towel head and/or other insults just for the heck of it, is called being a ba*******

so form a phantasy point of view, high headed pointy eared elves are ignorent, deamons and The F.O.E (forces of evil) are raceist and orcs being orcs just hate everything eals cause they arn\'t to bight to hate anything less then equally and are thus ba*******

[Altharion]

i see alot more white people and asian people dressing up like \"gangsta\" then black people.

and racism still occurs, racists acts have calmed abit down but there have been numerous incidents of racism in this day and age.

[Ionas]

What i currently find disturbing is the growing hatred towards muslims. I know its not racism in technical sense, but it does not make it less wrong.
And yes there are muslims who refuse to integrate isolate themselves and form a threat to our democracy. And it should be possible to say that mohammed had sex with a kid without being murdered for it. But i dont see what it accomplishes to be so undisrespectfull as some are to the islam.

People should be judged by whom they are not the groups they belong to. So positive discrimination is also wrong imho.

[KwartzTheKran]

Originally posted by dimaq
***YAWN***

*kicks dimaq\'s river styx loving ass*

im not proud to be white. (Im part lots of things but mainly white) I dont see how race is ever anything to be proud of, its not an achievement, its not something like when your five years old and you come home from school and say \"Look mum im a latino!\" \"oh well done dear, here lets stick you on the fridge next to your last A+ in RE\"



Id also like to take this post as a chance to point out there is a large genetic difference between people of different race. We are not all equal physically, as people seem to say. Its not just skin colour and outer physical make-up. And yet to talk about this is still hard today because of certain assholes beliefs of superiority.

[Foresteer]

Originally posted by KwartzTheKran
Id also like to take this post as a chance to point out there is a large genetic difference between people of different race.

I\'d like to that this post to say how wrong you are O.o there is less then a .2% (or 2% i forget pretty sure its .2% though) genetic diffference in all races.. the whole \"some races are better at this\" thing is total BS

Blacks arent taller faster can\'t jump higher or play sports better or have a bigger you-know-what... its just that south east africa has a genetic leaning to being tall (which makes you better at physical stuf anyway.. and being larger mean to scale certian strains of african getics have bigger.. \"stuff\") and just also happens to have the genetic leaning to being blacks there are also black pygmies so  

Whites arent shorter, geekier, or unable to dance or have a rythm (and if rythm is todays \"i be\'s rid\'n in my escalade g-thugg\'n it yo! smack\'n ma bitchits with my money telling my ho to make me a sammitch! pimp ma ho\'s killing tha foos who gets in ma way cuz imma hard gangsta of tha street!\" then thats ok i dont want your \"rythm\" :/ ) What of beethoven, Motzart? Trance ?

No Asians are no all short... only the japanese where and thats because on a island with no large preditors all creatures tend to shrink (since they dont need to be big to fight just to live its more practicle to be smaller, you take less space and less food.. also in japan being an island they wheren\'t getting some nutrients that also aided in this) and they have since almost grown up to the worlds \"average\" size, They aren\'t smarter better at fighting or able to fix a computer (refer to the MAD TV skit \"the average asian\" )

Muslims are NOT hateful... i have met many muslims in fact muhammed taught just as much peace as jesus did... i mean osama bin laden v. jerry falwell O.o we cant say we dont have our extreme religious hate-mongers

Its just in third world there are the poor people follow whatever says will get them a better life just so they can survive... basicaly brainwashed.. like is germany bad for being decieved by hitler? are muslims bad for being decieved by thier sellers of hate? are WE bad for saying \"jesus loves everyone but god hates queers?\" \"muslims are out to get us lets kill em all\" \"they attacked us lets ship em all on a boat back to where-ever-the-hell-thier-from\" all things i heard in and aroud sept. 11.. is that the way to honor the legacy of our dead? to USE them and thier martyrhood to further our own sick hatred complex?

that about all thier is to say about that right now

EDIT: i also say the poor gravitiate to the extremes that say they will help... Well how the hell do you think bill o\'riely isn\'t told to \"STFU\" and how do you think our \"Jihad Zealots\" (right wing gay hating chritianity which i might add you aren\'t protecting family values.. in fact modern christianity was formed so henry viii could divorce whenever he wanted so you guys just shut it) propogate and multiply themselves? It just goes to show its easier to see the wrong in others than to see that very same wrong in ourselves

[Altharion]

if you see a chart of the avarage sizes of penises in the world you will see a tremendous different in size from one part of the world to another.

[snow_RAveN]

Altharion ! you have to watch your language or .. or  they\'ll get you ! *stares hard into the shadows expecting ninja moogie to jump out and spilt Altharion\'s head in half*

[KwartzTheKran]

- Exactly, you just proved yourself wrong! .2% !-Thats a huge difference, we share 98.6% of genes with chimpanzees!
As an example the average white person has more than 1500 extra gene varients in their immune system over your average black person! - do some research on diseases and racial patterns, including allergies and diseases. Skin tolerance levels are far higher in darker skins and in terms of skin sensitivity are less.

- The fact is some races do have advantages if you take the average, the average black has an advantage over the average east asian when it comes to basketball because of their height, the average white has an advantage over the average black when it comes fighting diseases (With the emergance of aids many thought it was a goverment conspiracy to kill off blacks as many whites were seemed not as susceptible).  This is most obvious in the unequal distribution of disease-associated alleles for certain recessive disorders, such as sickle cell disease or Tay-Sachs disease, but has also been noted recently for certain nonmendelian disorders, such as Crohn disease.


But people are scared to say things like this because of ass holes in the past like Hitler with twisted views, people are different! and its not a bad thing!


- my point is there could be far more differences but people are scared to do the research. Hell they could maybe have found a cure for me and my nan.

[Foresteer]

well your also .2% geneticaly different from your own grandmother so technicaly speaking your just as close to her as you are to anybody you care to name

granted that what you said about black over east asian at basketball.. but thats not from RACIAL genetics thats from REGIONAL genetics from te area they where born... most blacks are born tall and most asians short because of where they live.. take an east asian family and move them here and you notice that thier grandchildren are about the same hieght/wight as all other americans (unless they where like those freaky \"marry your own race from the same town or be killed by god\" types)

so yes you are correct in a technicle way.. and also technicaly .2% is quite a bit but not THAT much that its a BIG difference.. more like a small-medium difference... i mean the nearest animal to us (apes) is like 10% off and they are relativly close to us so is 10% is close then .2% isn\'t far

[KwartzTheKran]

can you show me this evidence to support regional over genetic? Celts were tall, romans were short, I find it hard to believe this was an enviromentally effective variable.