[GUILD] The Dragon Council

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Pestilence
hmmm so again acusations without proof and this time even without true acusations?

Now I comment you for keeping it to PMs but why then post about it here? And why PM to other people then Rioth about it I wonder.

Specially seeing your earlier accusations against us have still not been proven unlike ours against your behavior (proof satisfying GMs and not just us) I think this is again a strange way to act.

Or don\'t talk about it and solve it in PMs or atleast speak out and acuse us openly with proof in hand so we may have the chance to defend ourselves

Right... you think I haven\'t talked to Rioth, as well as others?  Whenever I\'ve tried talking to you people intelligently, I\'ve been met with insults, closed ears, and universal denials.  Somewhere along the line, I decided that it just wasn\'t worth the grief.

[Pestilence]

insults? The only insults I remember were of yourself Shal. So even if other of the guild made them without my knowledge you can hardly say in was uncalled for with your behaviour.

Intelligent conversation? The only times you came to me you normally started of with an insult to the Dragon Council in your first sentence. How can you call that a serious attempt for serious intelligent conversation?

Did I ever insult you or the guild you were part of? I think not. The only thing I ever said was that I would take my guildbrothers word over yours unless you had atleast some proof. With your behavior who could blame me? This doesn\'t mean we didn\'t look into this ourselves

We even had an objective guild that was unrelated to us investigate if they could find the behavior you mentioned in our members.

Now I have asked for this a million times. If this happens ALL the time why don\'t you have logs or screen shots or even a single objective witness? Why were you the one banned and has not even one of our guildmembers been strucken with this?

Again bring proof and I\'ll look. Don\'t insult the guild or me and I am always willing to listen to your words.

But accuse us of the same things over and over again and don\'t ever bring any evidence to the table and ofcourse we will stop listening at one point.

[Suno_Regin]

*SIGH*

Shal, why do you have to keep causing arguements? You act half-assed to just about everything you see, then you act like we should treat you special? I\'ll show a few people a funny quote from you if I can dig out the thread it came from.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Pestilence
insults? The only insults I remember were of yourself Shal. So even if other of the guild made them without my knowledge you can hardly say in was uncalled for with your behaviour.

Intelligent conversation? The only times you came to me you normally started of with an insult to the Dragon Council in your first sentence. How can you call that a serious attempt for serious intelligent conversation?

Did I ever insult you or the guild you were part of? I think not. The only thing I ever said was that I would take my guildbrothers word over yours unless you had atleast some proof. With your behavior who could blame me? This doesn\'t mean we didn\'t look into this ourselves

We even had an objective guild that was unrelated to us investigate if they could find the behavior you mentioned in our members.

Now I have asked for this a million times. If this happens ALL the time why don\'t you have logs or screen shots or even a single objective witness? Why were you the one banned and has not even one of our guildmembers been strucken with this?

Again bring proof and I\'ll look. Don\'t insult the guild or me and I am always willing to listen to your words.

But accuse us of the same things over and over again and don\'t ever bring any evidence to the table and ofcourse we will stop listening at one point.

Thanks for proving my point.

Originally posted by Suno_Regin
*SIGH*

Shal, why do you have to keep causing arguements? You act half-assed to just about everything you see, then you act like we should treat you special? I\'ll show a few people a funny quote from you if I can dig out the thread it came from.

I\'m not causing anything.  I\'m responding to questions posed to me.  I don\'t expect special treatment from you and I don\'t believe I ever suggested such a ludicrous statement.






If anyone is SERIOUS about talking to me, then do it privately.  When things get talked about publically, people tend to put on a show for the sake of appearances.  I\'m not interested in that sort of dialogue, plus this conversation shouldn\'t be happening in this thread anyway.

[Tarel]

Like i stated before.

Lets forget the past and move on.
Stop the arguements from both sides.

I stated this before and now like to state it again.

We can not change the past anymore, so why still bother about it. We all have made mistakes and hopefully we have alll learned from it.

The conversations about good or bad should come to an end, because i see it\'s getting us all nowhere.
All the arguements continue because of a few kinds of incidents, that are way behind us for some time already.

And if there are new incidents from now on with a member of the Dragon Council, keep logs and send them to Rioth, Tarel, Meriner or Ganinos. We all 4 will look at the logs and we will take the action we think it\'s the best within the guidelines of Planeshift and the GM\'s.

[zanzibar]

Thank you Tarel.  I agree that part of the problem is people seeing things in terms of black and white / entirely good or entirely bad.

[Pestilence]

*raises an eyebrow and looks at Shal but decides not to respond*

I guess you\'re right Tarel. Lets focus on the future.

[Avarus]

Without good, there is no bad, and without bad, there is no good. Everything  and everyone is usefull and needed, no matter for what purpose. That\'s why wars are useless: balance will always return...

I\'m glad it\'s all behind now :tup:

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Avarus
Without good, there is no bad, and without bad, there is no good. Everything  and everyone is usefull and needed, no matter for what purpose. That\'s why wars are useless: balance will always return...

I\'m glad it\'s all behind now :tup:

Again, this isn\'t even a matter of \"good versus bad\".  This is about good people who make mistakes.

edit:  I\'m talking about our completley OOC disagreements.  In game resentments and reputations are entirely IC, but CERTAIN ACTIONS have made it obvious that it\'s more than just role-playing.

[Valbrandr]

What is this 6 months later and stilll people bickering about DC?  DC has good members.. and they seemed to trim down their ranks by quite a bit and I think that in itself makes teh guild better because they can be more efficient and be a closer knit group.  They seem to be moving in the right direction, and Meriner is back.  And I still stick by my words in earlier posts.. however DCs future looks bright.

[Pestilence]

*pokes people*

future people future

Don\'t make me call Karyuu now *grins*

Glad to hear that Valbrandr

[Pestilence]

hmmm threatening to bring in Karyuu actually worked

Anyhow everyone is invited to go visit the shop run by Bodacher. I think it\'s a great succes and hope people will go have a look if they haven\'t already.

[Pestilence]

ahh was bored so made this.



From the depths of the labyrinth the dragon family came
A strange house they build that soon aquired a lot of fame
Not the house alone but also their blood was talk about
So much the family came together for staying was in doubt

Their blood made them cast magic without a glyph nearby
They tried to hide this fact but soon could not deny
The other people did not know what to think of this
How did they get this power was there something amiss?

But many had made ties at this place and so the dragons stayed
And it didn\'t take to long are the people were no longer afraid
The family proved itself hardworking and soon it\'s fortune was made
And soon to all corners of the country their name was relayed

Then the peace was broken and all people took up arms to defend
But the dragon family wasn\'t asked and they did not attend
Many lands joined forces to throw back the dark knights
but nothing was enough to stop them after many figths

The army of the alliance was driven to the Dragons house
Their beginning grand morale now shrunken to only a mouse
The leader knocked and asked the dragons to join the cause
As the dragons joined the army everywhere was heard applause

The dragon warriors looked amazing and hope bloomed again
The warriors were perhaps not many but each fought for ten
The army decided to take the fight to the dark knights
Invigorated the army moved quick walking for two nights

Then the army saw it\'s enemy and poured down on the dark ones
And toward the dark knight the army looked like titans
but with victory the dark army had grown even larger still
and as their numbers pressed on the fight soon became uphill

The alliance lost its leaders and things looked very grim
but a large shadow appeared and the dragons started a hymm
The Dragon family\'s Lord jumped down within the Dark Knights
As they saw their leader they were all filled with a light

What happened then noone knows exactly but this is for sure
The tide turned and soon the battlefield was tottally secure
But tired of war the dragons retreated after the battle
To leave these lands to find somewhere even more peacefull

Some children stayed behind with half the dragon in them
And so a council came to be a shield against the mayhem
Many years from these events but still the blood that binds
The blood to watered for it\'s gifts exept it\'s still in their minds

[Tarel]

It\'s a nice story.
I hope you will be more bored.

Then we get more fun stories.

But we need you ingame too.

[Pestilence]

Well Rioth pretty much made up the story line in history I just altered it a little and stuffed it in rhyme form