[GUILD] The Dragon Council

[Phinehas]

Ah. But who said it was one large thing?

[Nathaluth Sumaza]

*Nathaluth smiles.

May I then ask you to be so kind as to sum up all the small matters which combined are a large enough "thing" which will eventually  lead to the disappearance of the Dragon Council, which has already been around for more than one year and a half? Please. For I believe it might clearify matters, at the very least it would clear things up for me.

[zanzibar]

Why did I expect that post from Zanz already?

One should always expect the truth from me.






I don't think the Dragon Council will disapear.  Its core members are dedicated and they've shown the capacity to stick together despite internal conflicts.  The real question is what form will the Dragon Council take and how will it exist.  At one point, it was a mass recruiting guild with well over 200 members.  Later on, it was tightly micromanaged with not even 30 members.  It's also possible that the history and background story will be changed to give the DC a greater purpose than just levelling up and helping others.  At one point, the DC was even leaning towards being more of a merchant class guild, but only because of the actions of its members in game.

So while the DC won't disapear, I think it's unlikely it won't continue to evolve and change.

[Pestilence]

Just one correction we never went above 200 members That was another guild. Keepers of the Faith or something? Well atleast that real massrecruiting guild after the Guardians of the Way that went that high in one week and was dead three weeks after that . We only had 150 members at one point becuase we did recruit quite a bit and didn't delete inactives and there had not been a wipe in a long time. As soon as we did start deleting them we went down to around 50 again. If we wouldn't delete inactives and we still had that list I am sure we would show as decievingly high aswelll as would other guilds who would not clean up.

Our number of active people however has remained rather constant, but ofcourse in the beginning you are still setting up your coreteam so you need more freshblood and more active recruiting

And being flexible and being able to evolve is one of the reasons the DC is still around

[Phinehas]

I think the Dragon Council is not a guild, who will fade away and get forgotten.

Perhaps, but that remains to be seen. Unlike the DE, there are many who wish that the DC would fade away, so they could forget them.

This is what I originally said, at least in this section of the conversation. You may notice I said nothing about them dying or enemies killing them, or anything of that sort whatsoever. That's why I was amused at Pestilence's response, because he's assuming that I said that the DC is going to die.

[Pestilence]

Unlike the DE?

* Pestilence smiles

Anyhow enemies are really the way to keep something alive Phinehas. But atm DC isn't in any troubles I think. Me stepping down is the only big thing happening, but still a member and almost always when I am onlie there is atleast one other online so were this the DC is having trouble is coming from I'm not sure. I definately see more of our member then other guilds who claim to be really active.

And that goes to show how much you know.

Sure but we aren't talking about just that anymore now are we? Strangely you still haven't elaborated on what you ment with this.

I mean, as I see it, I said there weren't any problems worth mentioning and you reply with "And that goes to show how much you know."

To me that would mean that it shows where the limit of my knowledge is becuase there ARE problems worth mentioning in your opinion. I mean if there really aren't any problems to know about, not knowing about any could mean I am an idiot who never looked, but could also mean I'm a genius who looked at every possible angle and still didn't find anything.

So perhaps you weren't the one who said we would fade away but obviously you did want to atleast make us think you know of problems for the DC.

Would love to hear those problems I apparently don't know about.

[zanzibar]

Would love to hear those problems I apparently don't know about.

But we already know where that song and dance ends up.

[Phinehas]

Unlike the DE?

* Pestilence smiles

Anyhow enemies are really the way to keep something alive Phinehas. But atm DC isn't in any troubles I think. Me stepping down is the only big thing happening, but still a member and almost always when I am onlie there is atleast one other online so were this the DC is having trouble is coming from I'm not sure. I definately see more of our member then other guilds who claim to be really active.

And that goes to show how much you know.

Sure but we aren't talking about just that anymore now are we? Strangely you still haven't elaborated on what you ment with this.

I mean, as I see it, I said there weren't any problems worth mentioning and you reply with "And that goes to show how much you know."

To me that would mean that it shows where the limit of my knowledge is becuase there ARE problems worth mentioning in your opinion.

That goes to show how much you know.

[Rioth]

At one point, it was a mass recruiting guild with well over 200 members. Later on, it was tightly micromanaged with not even 30 members.

Well.. Let's rather say our recruiting policy was different from what we have now. And more to that, we never really bothered to kick inactive people, as we always thought people might just come back someday. Well we've been proved wrong, and the wipe did the cleaning for us. In fact, we've been experiencing a good many different recruiting policies since then. Some of which were more successful on a short term, others bringing more benefits on the long term.

It's also possible that the history and background story will be changed to give the DC a greater purpose than just levelling up and helping others.

I wouldn't say the history will be changed. Rather expanded. Besides, our history and background aren't providing a levelling up purpose (I wonder where you got that..). The 'helping others' part can also be understood in many different ways than the one we use it at the moment. I think that you should just keep in mind that our true goals are to retrieve our lost legacy (hence expanding our background and history) and to be a pillar of support of Yliakum.

At one point, the DC was even leaning towards being more of a merchant class guild, but only because of the actions of its members in game.

The Dragon Council isn't a simple 'fighters' guild or 'crafters' guild or whatever else. It has a complexe structure allowing us to live as a big family without relying on anyone else. If some Clans of the guild are more expressed ingame than others, it's mostly because of the features currently availible in PS. Also.. We never do things just like that ingame from scratch (except for some guild events ). Doing something as big as opening a player held shop required a good deal of planning beforehand. We have our own forums and we use them massively.

The real question is what form will the Dragon Council take and how will it exist.

A most important point indeed. Likely going to depend on the kind of members we get (minners, cooks, mages..) and on the features availible in PS that would upgrade some of the RP to a whole different level.

So while the DC won't disapear, I think it's unlikely it won't continue to evolve and change.

Well.. Can anything survive in a constantly evolving world without evolving itself?

[zanzibar]

What you call complex, I call loose and undefined.

By the way, I don't suppose you could get Meriner to stop spamming the Dark Empire's thread?  He knows I'm not even in that guild, right?

[Pestilence]

* Pestilence smiles

I know that Zanz. but you posting there is hardly the reason I started posting there. infact I replied to Sangwa's post. That you find it strange that people sometimes actually read and respond to your posts tells more about you I think.

[Rioth]

What you call complex, I call loose and undefined.

Please exlain why. Our organisation is far from being complete, constructive criticism is most welcome.

[zanzibar]

* Pestilence smiles

I know that Zanz. but you posting there is hardly the reason I started posting there. infact I replied to Sangwa's post. That you find it strange that people sometimes actually read and respond to your posts tells more about you I think.

Dude, you've been spamming the thread for a while now.

What you call complex, I call loose and undefined.

Please exlain why. Our organisation is far from being complete, constructive criticism is most welcome.

Constructive critisism is NOT welcomed.  Whenever I give you guys constructive criticism, you drag my name through the mud then try to get me banned.

[Karyuu]

Can we keep OOC conflicts outside of guild threads please?

[Kymizer]

well, what if you just pmed lord rioth, so therefor, you can keep it quiet, and there will be no news of what you said other than to lord rioth.