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« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2005, 01:38:33 am »
I know they add a sense of community and all...But with a total reset of the game coming up soon, it\'s kind of pointless.  And there\'s not a lot of evil deeds you can really do.  Maybe kill steal someone\'s rat, or ummm make faces at the RP\'ers on the plaza.

I\'d join a beggar\'s guild.. Then maybe I could round up enough Trias to buy a sword and train my skill so I could actually use it.

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« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2005, 01:58:48 am »
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I know they add a sense of community and all...But with a total reset of the game coming up soon, it\'s kind of pointless.  And there\'s not a lot of evil deeds you can really do.

I seriously wonder why people seem to believe that the wipe will have RL impact. It won\'t erase your memory, it also won\'t kill all the people who have chars ingame, delete guilds websites, not even delete their PS installation or chatlogs!

But I guess that\'s because most people have learnt from the commercial MMO\"RP\"Gs to confuse \"MMORPG\" with \"MULARP\" (Multi User Levelling And Ranking Platform).
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Maybe kill steal someone\'s rat, or ummm make faces at the RP\'ers on the plaza.

Apart from the fact that the plaza is one of the places with almost zero RP, these both are OOC. Killstealing even is cheating / exploiting.

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« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2005, 03:44:00 pm »
Holy Sep on a stick,

This is really pityfull, first the \"newb archers\" and now this. I am about as annoyed as it gets. The only great guilds I have seen here for long are \"the beggars\" and the \"culture team\".

If there would just be a way of teacing all those newcomers how to RP.

*turns towards anogro, talking very slowly, so that anyone can get the meaning*

The shortage RP means Role Playing.

Role Playing means picking a certain role in a setting and playing it to the bitter end. This person (role) is a inhabitat of the world you are playing in, and he/she should act properly. If you ever want to become a good RP (what I personally doubt) you should be able to totally live out the role you chose, within the game of course. When RPing, you dont create guilds for \"newbs\" or \"because there are no evil guilds\", you create a guild because you want to have it taking over a position of power, and yourself taking with it. A guild is not a group of internet-contacts, or r0x0r guyzzz, a guild is a force. Each guild fights because of some goal. Something that keeps pushing it forwards. For some it may be the wish to rule the world, others may be protecting nature, fighting evil, assasinating for money, earning money or just being a close group of friends who all are specialists and so are relying on each other.

A guild is a source of power, either economical (The Blood Claw inc.), or military (The Dark Empire, Deus ex trucido, The chaotic warriors), a group of specialists (Blitzers, ashes, Dream of the Sarukai, Arcane order), or a religous bond (order of the black rose, the followers of Aliathi(religous organization)).

A guild is not a group with website and forum, a hierachy and so on. A guild is a Source of power in the world of Planeshift, Yliakum.
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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2005, 03:56:03 pm »
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I seriously wonder why people seem to believe that the wipe will have RL impact. It won\'t erase your memory, it also won\'t kill all the people who have chars ingame, delete guilds websites, not even delete their PS installation or chatlogs!


Because you\'ll be starting all over with a new character who supposedly isn\'t supposed to remember that their last incarnation in the world belonged to Guild X.  You preach about RP like you invented it, yet you can\'t even grasp the concept of it and how it applies to the character wipe!?
 
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Maybe kill steal someone\'s rat, or ummm make faces at the RP\'ers on the plaza.

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Apart from the fact that the plaza is one of the places with almost zero RP, these both are OOC. Killstealing even is cheating / exploiting.


God, do you ever take your finger out of your :cough: ear?  It\'s not OOC unless the person doing it intends it to be.  Hmm kill stealing is exploiting?  I thought exploiting was taking advantage of a bug that works in your favor (i.e a rat that spawns over and over and gives 100% experience each time.  Or going through a certain door that for whatever reason doubles the number of trias in your inventory).  Kill stealing is certainly not an honest practice, but hey, if you\'re RPing an Evil character then nobody is expecting you to be honest now are they?

Yeah, I should have known that one would go right over your head.

Try coming down off your high horse once in a while.
The air must be pretty thin way up there, eh?
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« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2005, 04:50:27 pm »
If you dont create a new character you will most likely have your old one. Look all this stat-f*****g is really pointless. You most likely will remember who your character has been and so you can recreate him.

Kill stealing is actually exploiting the fact that others may have less resources. It would be evil to trap an newcomer with a creature he cant handle, but it is just cheap and cheating to exploit the fact that someone others pc is slower.
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« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2005, 07:23:22 pm »
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Kill stealing is certainly not an honest practice, but hey, if you\'re RPing an Evil character then nobody is expecting you to be honest now are they?

Well, there is a little difference between being an idiot/annoying or evil -.-
and well kill stealing is not RP - besides you cannot attack a monster while another is attacking it, nor can you loot a monster another person killed so this is a pretty bad suggestion at being evil :rolleyes:

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« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2005, 10:55:49 pm »
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I know they add a sense of community and all...But with a total reset of the game coming up soon, it\'s kind of pointless.  And there\'s not a lot of evil deeds you can really do.  Maybe kill steal someone\'s rat, or ummm make faces at the RP\'ers on the plaza.


In the past day or so I\'ve seen you round up more fights than I have seen in the last two months. In another thread you talk about roleplaying as if it\'s something set in stone, as if it\'s an actual game. Roleplaying is about imagination. I\'d like to see you use your imagination. At least try to use your imagination and see things other people\'s ways before you start changin on in here thinking you know more than anyone else. There\'s always more than one right answer.

...had to get that out of my head. Anyway, for the guild, I don\'t like this concept. There\'s no meat to it at all. It\'s like diablo or rs is coming in here and taking over the game. Please try again and think of something else. Evil is good, but there is so much more you can do with it.

Trust me on this one, I doubt you\'ll receive a lot of respect in this game with a name like that. Sorry.
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« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2005, 11:22:57 pm »
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I seriously wonder why people seem to believe that the wipe will have RL impact. It won\'t erase your memory, it also won\'t kill all the people who have chars ingame, delete guilds websites, not even delete their PS installation or chatlogs!


Because you\'ll be starting all over with a new character who supposedly isn\'t supposed to remember that their last incarnation in the world belonged to Guild X.  You preach about RP like you invented it, yet you can\'t even grasp the concept of it and how it applies to the character wipe!?

Hehe, this is the most stupid thing I\'ve ever heard about the wipe. I\'m impressed. :tup:

I might not have invented RP, but I seem I have much more of a grasp on it than you. :P
The simple and yet obviously hard to comprehend fact is that the wipe does not have anything to  do with RP. It is totally OOC.
The actual impact of the wipe on the chars is marginal. So you need to re-create your char, but in no way is it required to create a different char. The fun part is that many people carried over their chars from MB to CB. This was a wipe as well, but it disn\'t impact RP at all.
Obviously you base your \"understanding\" of RP on stats and stuff like that, so obviously you don\'t know that RP doesn\'t need them if done correctly. They\'re there to keep players in check who don\'t have the strength to limit themselves voluntarily, and to have a means to get the world to interact with the players.
When was the last time you said IRL that you\'re a level 19 forum troll? Would you please tell me your level in english and your attributes?
See, if you \"RP\"\'d a bunch of numbers, then the wipe destroys your char, which isn\'t one in the first place. If you, however, RP a person in a world, then the wipe won\'t affect your RP at all.
The wipe\'s effects will be gone about three weeks after the wipe happened, the powerlevellers will have their stats back in no time.
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Maybe kill steal someone\'s rat, or ummm make faces at the RP\'ers on the plaza.

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Apart from the fact that the plaza is one of the places with almost zero RP, these both are OOC. Killstealing even is cheating / exploiting.

God, do you ever take your finger out of your :cough: ear?  It\'s not OOC unless the person doing it intends it to be.  

Hehe, you\'re really hilarious! So you honestly think that it somehow is RP to talk about a client crash or last weeks soccer match? Intend it to be RP as much as you want: it never will be.
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Hmm kill stealing is exploiting?  I thought exploiting was taking advantage of a bug that works in your favor (i.e a rat that spawns over and over and gives 100% experience each time.  Or going through a certain door that for whatever reason doubles the number of trias in your inventory).  Kill stealing is certainly not an honest practice, but hey, if you\'re RPing an Evil character then nobody is expecting you to be honest now are they?

Well, the fact that you can steal kills is a bug. You can\'t honestly have thought that it was somehow intended to enable that? So it is exactly what you described: using a bug (that killstealing is possible) to gain advantage (stealing the kill). Not hard to comprehend, is it?
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Yeah, I should have known that one would go right over your head.

Try coming down off your high horse once in a while.
The air must be pretty thin way up there, eh?

Hmm, you must have aimed incredibly high, then. However, it would be nice if you actually wouldn\'t start insulting people when they keep tearing apart your flawed arguments. Instead, it would be advisable to try to find better arguments. :D
Insulting people only serves to deter from your points, so even should you make a valid one, it is more likely to be ignored if you don\'t maintain a mature style of discussion. It\'s easy to come over as a troll if you aren\'t careful. :P

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« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2005, 11:30:38 pm »
You know Seytra, I begin to regret the fact that up till now I have not been an avid reader of your posts due to their generally being abnormally long. You have a great deal of sense, and the ability to express it. Good for you!

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« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2005, 06:19:48 am »
The only thing Seytra has demonstrated is complete ignorance about an Online RPG.

There\'s another thread on the board where people are discussing how to RP the wipe IN GAME.  So obviously it\'s not something I pulled out of my....toe, now is it?

As for RPing not having anything to do with your character\'s actual ability.. is laughable at the very least.  You cannot RP being a wealthy merchant if your pockets are empty.  You can\'t RP a thieving fiend if you\'ve never stolen anything!!  And you can\'t RP a seasoned warrior if you\'ve never been to battle!  Your character\'s abilities have to reflect to some degree what it is you want them to portray in the world.

I like how you take everything I say completely out of context.  Making faces at people is not OOC UNLESS the character doing it intends it to be (and how would you tell anyway? Do you think they would say /me OOC sticks his tongue out at you?) I never said anything about discussions that have no place in the world being RP.  Anyway didn\'t you argue a few posts back that the wipe doesn\'t affect us IRL, now you\'re saying it has no context in the game either?  
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« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2005, 06:43:08 am »
Or hire a day laborer.  Don\'t forget that option.  I\'m available for menial tasks, if you need me.
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« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2005, 07:27:27 am »
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As for RPing not having anything to do with your character\'s actual ability.. is laughable at the very least.  You cannot RP being a wealthy merchant if your pockets are empty.  You can\'t RP a thieving fiend if you\'ve never stolen anything!!  And you can\'t RP a seasoned warrior if you\'ve never been to battle!  Your character\'s abilities have to reflect to some degree what it is you want them to portray in the world.


I\'ll say it once again. RP is about imagination and has been around long before any game. You can act out being a wealthy merchant even if your pockets aren\'t full. You pretend. Yes, the idea of money in the game will be useful later on, but this is pre-alpha. There are many things that need to be pretend at the moment. A wealthy merchant is likely not going to kill rats or mine, and right now being a merchant is just not feasible if you want to be wealthy (physically speaking).

Now, I don\'t want to jump any furthur with this into this thread. We\'re going off topic as it is. Just try and use your imagination. This game, after all, is not about hard facts.

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« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2005, 12:45:46 pm »
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You cannot RP being a wealthy merchant if your pockets are empty. You can\'t RP a thieving fiend if you\'ve never stolen anything!!

I usually try to avoid talking to complete idiots, but I\'ll make an exception for you.

RP:ing a thief is not possible since thieving skills have not been implemented, but thieves should not mourn. They can always become \"sceleton archers\" instead. For that they don\'t need archery skills. As a matter of fact, they don\'t even need to possess a bow; all they need to do is die...

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« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2005, 01:33:32 pm »
To this id(-iot)orut:

I am really feeling pity for you, you don\'t seem to have imagination at all. If you never stop f*****g those stats you will never have fun.

Stats are just a tool for imagination. You wont need them to roleplay. Actually I had the best experiences with RPing without stats at all.

You are really pityful, repeating the same words over and over again. \"Killstealing is not exploiting, it\'s being evil!\" wonderful then how about that \"I\'ve gained acces to another account by hacking into his PC and now I am uber rich because I let him give me all his things. Ahh i am so r0x0r.\", it\'s about the same.
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« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2005, 06:39:17 pm »
I only said that kill stealing was not exploiting once, thanks.  

You guys are basing the whole MMORPG genre on this one game that\'s NOT EVEN FINISHED.  I KNOW FULL WELL what skills are/aren\'t implemented into the game.  At this stage in PlaneShift go ahead and pretend whatever you want.  Just stop being hypocrits and acting like people who are just starting the game and testing out what features ARE available are somehow degrading the gameplay value for you.

And generally speaking in RPGs (PlaneShift excluded since IT\'S NOT FREAKING FINISHED) it\'s not wise to portray your character as something if you don\'t have the stats to back it up.  If your character is supposed to be a brave warrior but in reality is only level 1, what happens when someone wants you to join their party and go monster hunting?  You\'d look like a complete fool when your seasoned level 1 warrior doesn\'t even know how to wield his sword!
Keep in mind that most of us who have come to try out the game have played other RPGs before, so we base how we roleplay on what we\'ve experienced in other games.  Maybe y\'all should go play a finished game and see what it\'s like when roleplayers are in the minority and everyone else is just after levels.  Y\'all have just gotten used to having nothing else to do since mining and combat are so completely repetitive that you want to quit after about ten minutes.  Once the game is finished and all the skills and features are implemented you\'ll see how different the focus of the game becomes (any game with PvP quickly becomes a race to level X).



Y\'all can bash me all you want to.  I\'ve probably played upwards of 500 Online RPGs so I\'d like to think I have at least a basic understanding of how they work.  It seems to me most of you who are replying to me like I\'m a complete retard need to gain some perspective.  Step outside of PlaneShift and see what a completed MMORPG is really like.  Just a suggestion .  I\'m sure nothing can compare to this featureless one :rolls eyes: