Linux

[fken]

Originally posted by Pogopuschel

Originally posted by fken
pogo are you saying linux is less secured than windows by default?

Not necessarily, I rather meant.. well hard to explain. Lets say, you\'re setting up some webserver. It will be easier to not make mistakes if you do that with IIS or apache on windows (installer + gui setup) than with e.g. apache on linux. So I mean that you can have security holes that are \"made by you\"(tm) more easily under linux. (completely not regarding any security holes that are built into the programs, just talking about misconfiguration).

I never tried to install server program. What I know is that, once, I installed windowsXP, my internet access and upgraded my system (nothing else). And I saw my computer has been cracked there were some worms and spyware installed (one of them was special: I wasnt able to use regedit and ctrl+alt+del was not starting a program anymore)... I like speaking about security under Windows...
Then each time Im installing linux (debian) the installer ask me some question about security or customization and warn me what is the best for the security. And debian, as you must know it, isnt the easiest distribution.

If a guy who dunno anything about server try to install server\'s application under windows or under linux it will be a real drama (the os wont change anything). But once you are under linux once you are connected to internet, the \"linux network\" and the \"linux community\" will help you will support you! Each time Im in front of an exotic problem, I need 3, 4, 7 hours maybe to fixe it. But once i fixe it I understand what was the problem and Im able to fixe it. Each time Windows crashed violently (No more boot) I had to install it another time. Each time a software created this kind of situation the fact Windows policy is to hide everything force me to format my HD! Under linux I am able to surprise myself cause even if the windows dont work I am able to save my system logically! It\'s what I call \"real pc\": when everything is logical!

Off course I dont get black screen everytimes: it\'s only when I tried something... dumb (like trying to force my computer to use an advice it dont recognize cause I forgot to install the good driver... dont laught at me I know some people that did dumber things!)

To sum up: today linux isnt too hard to understand. And if you need help the linux community will help you (how to recognize linux community: it\'s a place where there is no advertising because they dont like it)

[Leeloo]

Originally posted by RussianVodka
Oh, just a short note, if you\'re thinking of buying a vid-card, and you\'re a linux user, get Nvidia. I have an ATI, and they are horrible with linux drivers.

Not to put down ATI or anything.

As a Linux user, I would say the opposite. Stay away from nVidia, unless you like your framerate measured in seconds per frame, or wants to run crap binary drivers that are ported directly over from Windows, still has references to \\\\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, and crashes even more than under Windows. And right now, the solution to some problems with Planeshift on Linux with nVidia cards are \"reinstall X\" - hey, I remember reinstalling from XP.

In short, if you want to use a nVidia card, you might as well go with XP, rather than trying to get crashes, BSOD and reinstalling on Linux too.

Unfortunately, ATI is starting to become just as bad with their newer cards (Radeon 9300 and up), but fortunately their older cards work great with X.org DRI drivers. I recently bought a new PC, and got a Radeon 9250 for exactly these reasons, and it runs Planeshift just fine.

[lethe]

i am very pleased with my nvidia card. ok the drivers are not opensource, but that is normal if you compare with bios or motherboard driver.
i had problems with the new version of planeshift, but i didnt need to reinstall the whole x server, i just updated my nvidia-drivers and wooo .. up to 100 fps.

[fken]

Originally posted by Leeloo

Originally posted by RussianVodka
Oh, just a short note, if you\'re thinking of buying a vid-card, and you\'re a linux user, get Nvidia. I have an ATI, and they are horrible with linux drivers.

Not to put down ATI or anything.

As a Linux user, I would say the opposite. Stay away from nVidia, unless you like your framerate measured in seconds per frame, or wants to run crap binary drivers that are ported directly over from Windows, still has references to \\\\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, and crashes even more than under Windows. And right now, the solution to some problems with Planeshift on Linux with nVidia cards are \"reinstall X\" - hey, I remember reinstalling from XP.

In short, if you want to use a nVidia card, you might as well go with XP, rather than trying to get crashes, BSOD and reinstalling on Linux too.

Unfortunately, ATI is starting to become just as bad with their newer cards (Radeon 9300 and up), but fortunately their older cards work great with X.org DRI drivers. I recently bought a new PC, and got a Radeon 9250 for exactly these reasons, and it runs Planeshift just fine.

I used ATI and nVidia card...
And in my next pc I will buy a nvidia one... it\'s not for nothing. he closed source driver of my ati card doesnt exist under linux and even under windows... ATI doesnt care about my card...

[Platyna]

That reinstall X is because of some odd bug in CS not because Nvidia drivers are crappy, on my machine I got that way from 4 FPS on Nvidia OpenGL drivers
to like 30 on default ones in Hydlaa.  8o

Regards.

[Leeloo]

How come that \"odd bug in CS\" happens only to people with crappy nVidia drivers installed?

And how can a game require that you reinstall a part of the system, unless we\'re talking about Windows? It shouldn\'t be possible.

[fken]

Linux isnt the problem there if its a driver problem then its nVidia if it\'s cs its cs...
I know sometimes nvidia made mistakes but it\'s fixed as soon as they can and really nvidia\'s drivers works really better than ati\'s one.

[tuxy]

If you want to try linux get knoppix cd
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html
Download, burn and boot. It is linux that runs from cd.
It will not modify your files on hd.  
Apps will start little slower because  cd is compressed. it has ~2GB of data. But once app is loaded it should be fast.
I give these cd\'s away  all the time.

[tuxy]

Originally posted by WiseKran
linux= no wow..    wisekran= no linux



sounds extremely limited..


forget it..       notice profile
                                     

My friend showed me this today:
http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=3518
Looks like transgaming officially suports wow on linux.

fyi,
transgaming makes this product named cedega. It is win32 \"emulation\" that allowes to run some games on linux. You will get some performance hit.

[1Samildanach]

transgaming makes this product named cedega. It is win32 \"emulation\" that allowes to run some games on linux. You will get some performance hit.

Cedega isn\'t a emulator. It\'s based on WINE (Wine Is Not an Emulator).

[Platyna]

Originally posted by Leeloo
How come that \"odd bug in CS\" happens only to people with crappy nVidia drivers installed?

And how can a game require that you reinstall a part of the system, unless we\'re talking about Windows? It shouldn\'t be possible.

If you are talking about that flame01.tga bug (which is indeed weird) you are
wrong. I have \"crappy nvidia drivers\" installed and my client never crashed due
to this issue.


Regards.

[Havox]

Originally posted by fken
Linux isnt the problem there if its a driver problem then its nVidia if it\'s cs its cs...
I know sometimes nvidia made mistakes but it\'s fixed as soon as they can and really nvidia\'s drivers works really better than ati\'s one.

I have a nvidia card and nvidia drivers installed and they work great on any game i throw at it, i get no crashes, no slowdowns no nothing and i do have quite a lot of 3D games installed. Except Planeshift, the darn thing keeps crashing on me. so i\'d say it\'s a cs/ps problem yes.

[Leeloo]

Originally posted by Platyna
If you are talking about that flame01.tga bug (which is indeed weird) you are
wrong. I have \"crappy nvidia drivers\" installed and my client never crashed due
to this issue.

You were the one who used the words \"odd bug in CS\", so you should know which bug I\'m talking about.

But no matter how, a bug in CS should not need X reinstalled. Reinstalling X won\'t fix anything - it will just overwrite the files with identical copies - unless something (i.e. crappy nVidia drivers) destroyed some of those files in the first place. It will certainly not fix an \"odd bug in CS\".

Planeshift runs perfectly under Linux, no slowdowns, no crashes - as long as one doesn\'t use those crappy nVidia drivers. And that\'s the version I downloaded from your site.

Havox: It\'s entirely possible that Planeshift uses some features that those other games don\'t. If the nVidia drivers have bugs in the implementation of those features, it will not affect the other games.

[Platyna]

Actually Leeloo, Nvidia drivers comes with own GL, and it works perfectly.
It works perfectly on my machine too. Anyway, that issue has been solved so
I see not reason to start any Nvidia bashing flame war.

Regards.

[Havox]

Originally posted by Leeloo
Planeshift runs perfectly under Linux, no slowdowns, no crashes - as long as one doesn\'t use those crappy nVidia drivers. And that\'s the version I downloaded from your site.

Havox: It\'s entirely possible that Planeshift uses some features that those other games don\'t. If the nVidia drivers have bugs in the implementation of those features, it will not affect the other games.

nvidia linux drivers are far better developed then ATI\'s.
I have a nvidia card and planeshift keeps crashing, and from my experience with nvidia i can safely say it has to be bug in the game\'s client or i must have something malconfigured. Again, nvidia drivers for linux are WAY superior than the ATI ones. you cant argue with that.
FFs just look at how often they release a new version, how easy it is to install them, how well they work for  most (i\'d say all) recent and not so recent games, and then go try and install some ATI drivers.