Worried Sick :P

[Keyaz]

when 900 years old you are, talk sense you do not o.O

I\'m not one to be able to state my opinion on this because  i either barely am able to understand the concept of events, or , am barely able to make sense, plus the fact I\'m only coming into bloom as one of the flowers...or weeds in this community. but from what i can see theres the wise and calm, the permatrolls, the oblivious, the unseen and unknowing. i think i quite easily fall into the oblivious group, and there i shall stay

[Moogie]

By \"dumber\" I wasn\'t calling the newer generations dumber. But I get a feeling that \'oldbies\' generally consider \'newbies\' dumber than themselves. I was illustrating just the opinion, not stating it as a fact or truth.

[Annah]

But I get a feeling that \'oldbies\' generally consider \'newbies\' dumber than themselves.

 Yeah, some people tend to do that. Though, we can\'t hang them as well. It\'s a fact, that every \'world\' needs them.

 That\'s why there\'s no world peace, terrorists, aaa... ok, I\'ll shut up now.

 

 * EDIT *
 

when 900 years old you are, talk sense you do not o.O

 Indeed right you are young padawan.

[Cyl]

I think I am to dumb to look through moog\'s concept...

but at least I \"know what i dont know.\"

IMHO oldbies are those people who a newbie remembers first, people like moogie and so.

[Annah]

IMHO oldbies are those people who a newbie remembers first, people like moogie and so.

 You\'re kinda wrong, because there are \'oldbies\' that stay a lot \'in the shadows\', not known for many new people, but respected by others.

[Efflixi Aduro]

Originally posted by Moogie
There\'s nothing \'deep\' about it, really. (Edit: After writing this, I\'d like to change that: it\'s very deep xD) Here\'s an example of how, in general, things play out. I\'d like to use........

Just read the post I don\'t wanna take up that much space.

Moogie just explained the cycle perfectly. And no I will never become bitter. I was the noobish noob of all and heck I wish I could flame myself. Oh and no offense taken I was stupid.

I don\'t think I will ever really become the kinda feared/respected olbee and I won\'t be the noob hating olbee either. I have always been quick to forgive and I respect most new people that come around. Many times though I have began to flame people that post lame things but that was mostly misdirected anger from real life things.

I think I will always be the same guy I am today. A lite ps player yet overly active on the forums. I may spam every now and then but hey who doesn\'t get a good laugh. But I personally don\'t think I will ever become a mod or anything, well not for like another 5 years. I am more active on the forums than almost anyone else here but I\'m too much of a goof off to keep this place in order. So, who knows, I may spawn a new type of olbee.

Oh and Kierns cool leave him alone.  

[DepthBlade]

Originally posted by Moogie
There\'s nothing \'deep\' about it, really. (Edit: After writing this, I\'d like to change that: it\'s very deep xD) Here\'s an example of how, in general, things play out. I\'d like to use Efflixi and Kiern as common examples, if you guys don\'t mind. It\'s just namedropping to help explain some concepts.

This is a typical cycle, not an exact one. This is from my personal experience and may differ from others according to personalities and opinions. (This is written as a sort of timeline):


Year 0: I first arrived in PS. I was a newbie. My \'generation\' were people like Seperot, Draklar, Pooky, etc. For us, \'oldbies\' were people like Kada, Kiern, Paxx, Link, etc. We saw many of them leave over time. One of the reasons they left was being unable to accept the newbies, unable to identify with them anymore. People also left through gradual loss of interest.

Year 1: My generation matured, and became the main part of the community as our oldbies became a little rarer and more obscure. We saw newbies arriving, and many of us found it hard to identify with them. Confident, self-sure, and somewhat bitter, we flamed and degraded them for their lack of intellect and knowledge. We saw more oldbies leaving, for whatever reasons, and assumed it was all going to pot in this community. Depression and bitterness began to kick in. We forgot that we were once just stupid newbies ourselves, being flamed and scorned by the generations above us.

Year 2: We matured into early \'oldbie\' stages, and some left, for the same reasons as our elders before us. Our newbies (Efflixi) matured and become the main part of the community. Many of my generation felt they couldn\'t relate to these newcomers and lost hope. This is where my generation had witnessed its first full cycle, as we ourselves became the oldbies we saw when we first arrived. Our newbies, people like Efflixi (who are now the \'main part of the community\'), witnessed people from my generation leaving.

Present: This is where the transition begins to occur. Subconciously, the depression of seeing his oldbies leaving makes Efflixi\'s generation feel that something is going wrong. Their newbies are still tolerated and pretty much ignored (for the most part). Still, some of my generation oldbies (Kiern, Gronomist) are still around. Many of Efflixi\'s generation oldbies (people from my generation) are still around.

Future: The cycle continues, and eventually Efflixi himself will become an oldbie; perhaps a calm, insightful, knowledgeable one like Ayshe or Kada... or the other type, cursing the new people, watching his elders lose interest and leave, causing him to become more bitter as time wears on, transforming him into the typical elitist oldbie who, eventually, leaves too, full of hate and lost hope. It will depend mostly on his personality and experiences here. But, if he does become a bitter oldbie, Efflixi will not be missed when he eventually moves on. As we probably won\'t miss people like Kiern (for example) who can\'t be as nice to the newer generations as he was with his own generation. Oldbies who refuse to identify with the main body of the community are forgotten quicker than the rest, and the cycle continues regardless.

Not every oldbie becomes bitter and full of hatred like some of my oldbies have. Many more simply lose interest and inevitably fade away. My theory is that the further from being a \'newbie\' you become, the less you can identify with the newbies that are always arriving to fill the gaps. The ones who survive are the ones who can keep themselves involved in the ever-changing main body of the community, those who realise that change is inevitable, and not always a bad thing. It\'s not a downward spiral, as the bitter oldbies may ceaslessly chant; a spiral, yes, but downward only in their eyes.



Some notes: I chose Efflixi as an example of \'my generation newbies\' since he\'s someone who springs immediately to mind for me. We laughed at how sad he looked when he first arrived as FESFES (sorry Efflixi, but it\'s true) and now he forms the main body of the community along with the others who arrived with him. He is no longer the clueless newbie he started as- he has learned, just like we all do. But he will inevitably find it hard, just like most of us, to stay in touch with the newer, \'dumber\' generations; it is so easy to forget how we began ourselves, and our growing time and experience here may make us think we\'re better than them. Well, we all started there. We all asked some stupid questions. We didn\'t always use the search button or be bothered to read pages upon pages of settings and history before asking a harmless question. And yes, we got shot down for it too.

I chose Kiern as an example of the \'bitter oldbie\' because... well... he is. I don\'t think he will consider it an insult. But he is a great example to use.

Me explaining all this doesn\'t change a thing- there will always be those who can\'t accept it, or those who may have their own theories. Like I say, it all depends on your opinions and what you personally experience. It\'s just nice to see how it all fits together, how we interact and change over time... I find it fascinating.



...*looks up*... Er... so what was the topic again? :/

*cough* Like I said who cares about a cycle you think we have, we have to be the only community that sits here debating this crap about \"The Cycle\", \"Olbies/Newbies\", \"Lemons vs. Oranges\". lol its really quite sad.

P.S *cough* FESFES still is the saddest

[Moogie]

That\'s quite encouraging actually. If what you say is true, I\'m all too glad we\'re not as shallow as other communities on the Internet.

But, since I\'ve been around alot, I can say that all communities I\'ve personally seen evolve in fundamentally the same way, with members performing the same social roles based on their statuses in the group. In that same way, every forum has its trolls, its smartasses, it\'s nice people and its nasty people.

Nice to have your, er, valuable opinion on the matter, Depth.

[Under the moon]

I prefer to be a nice smartass.

So, by what you are saying, we should expect a \'The day the forums died\' thread every so often. It makes you wonder as you look about yourself at fellow members. Who will be the ones to go, or the ones to stay? It is a fasinating subject.

It is amusing sometimes to see someone flame a newcomer for a question or mistake, then do a search on that person to find that they were once flamed by another person for something similar in their first posts. It is interesting to see how some people evolve, sometimes over a very short time span.

You find out a few things about yourself too, looking back on your old posts. I found that I am, indeed, a smartass.

ps. I hope no one considers me an Olden. That would be just weird.

[Sangwa]

*kicks everyone out of his thread*
Go away you boring people! I just asked about the Cabal, didn\'t asked to be flooded with useless information regarding cycles, oldbies newbs and starwars trash!
See, this is why we need cabali people. Everyone was the same at their eyes. People this days just speak too much sense and coherent stuff, and that\'s just plain boring.

[Moogie]

The only Cabali I ever found even remotely interesting was Auran. He wasn\'t a troll like the others (besides Xordan). He showed people how to be an evil character and a valuable part of the community at the same time. We\'ve yet to see someone come along to fill his place, and people with his qualities are very rare indeed.

Sorry about the whole philosophical thing there Sangwa.

[lynx_lupo]

Speech! Speech! Speech!  

Savion had his qualities too and don\'t forget snow_rawen, hehe. Well, they thrived since they had Draklar to piss off and endlessly argue back.

[Sangwa]

Yeah, Auran wasn\'t the troll. He was simply the one that kept trolls trolling . Well, him and Draklar. I bet they would had quitted a whole lot sooner if it wasn\'t for Draklar\'s support.

And Lynx, no one will ever do speeches like those again. I mean, I think I only read one from the beginning to the end (damn, they were long) but I kinda liked that one and the other parts from other speeches I read .

[Keyaz]

Okay okay, you oldies time for your morning supplement of vitamins, try not to fall away from your Zimoframe this time eh?

hope I\'m still here in a few years and can look back at this lot

[_Atticus]

Ah the best times of these forums were way before the time of the cabal. It would be sad to see the ones of my kind to come back at a time like this.