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« on: June 10, 2005, 02:39:26 pm »
The recent lack of cabali activity left me doubtful about their shady plans and intentions, but after I checked their site, (http://www.the-cabal.com/) I got worried.
It seems that they no longer have a site. And I haven\'t seen much of Savion or Xordan lately.
Seeing all this new guilds spawning without being flammed and thrown spoons at has left me with a feeling of loss. I mean, sure they were annoying jerks, but they were PS\'s unique annoying jerks. Besides being one of the few evil guilds that could reach its objectives.

So if anybody knows what happened with them, or cares to make up something about it, do tell me.

(Yes I\'ve read \"Hour of Oblivion\", but it didn\'t say they would put an end their site. It said they had renewed it.
And I\'m not asking for them to come back as annoying as before, just want to know what happened to them since \"Hour of Oblivion\" )
« Last Edit: June 10, 2005, 02:48:32 pm by Sangwa »
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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2005, 02:55:41 pm »
Well I also really wonder what happens to Forest Guardians now that Draklar left.
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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2005, 03:30:59 pm »
As long as Xordan is around, the Cabal will be around. And I don\'t see Xordan leaving us so soon. Besides, he\'s busy atm, like some of us, with exams.

 Cheers, and wish him good luck!

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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2005, 04:40:22 pm »
Xordan has nothing to do with Cabal. He is a developer now.

I don\'t know who the new leader is/was, though, you\'ll have to ask him. Xordan is always around on IRC. :)

I\'m pretty pleased that the Cabal spammers (Savion and others) are gone! :)

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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2005, 04:41:12 pm »
lol, I had payment problems with my hosting company, so all my sites went down :P Should be back up in a day or so.

I\'m in IRC every day at most times of the day :) So I am around. And I\'m in the middle of exams as Annah said so I don\'t have as much time for forum browsing as I have in the past.

As for a update on the guild; I\'m not the guild leader any more, and the guild is both private and secret. :) The private bit won\'t change I think, but the secret bit may in the future.

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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2005, 11:20:47 pm »
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private and secret

That\'s great. We at the Dark Empire usually say \"exclusive and elitist.\"

Well, people get bored I guess.
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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2005, 01:39:03 am »
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Xordan has nothing to do with Cabal. He is a developer now.

I don\'t know who the new leader is/was, though, you\'ll have to ask him. Xordan is always around on IRC. :)

I\'m pretty pleased that the Cabal spammers (Savion and others) are gone! :)


Yup, everyone who made the forums fun leaving really cleaned this place up.
Some of the newer people need to lighten up a bit.
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Well, people get bored I guess.



Thats true but when people who were here over 2 years all leave in a matter of like 6 months, you\'ve gotta wonder.
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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2005, 02:33:30 am »
Simply put, they don\'t. A few \'high profile\' \'oldbies\' leave, the rest of us stay for longer, and new people continue to arrive and the gaps get filled in. Nothing has ever changed- but I can understand it must look different from you perspective, since you havn\'t been around long enough to watch the whole cycle so far. :) You will learn, my young padowan... in time, you will learn.

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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2005, 06:26:47 am »
It seems like more people then the usual simply because nothing else is happening around here.

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Some of the newer people need to lighten up a bit.


I have to agree with this part, except put everyone instead of newer.  I need some damn comic relief. ;(
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2005, 06:41:53 am »
isnt Incensio Tenebrae gone? or one of those, i remember playing guild wars and i checked their site for that which said something along the lines of \'they\'ve moved on\' :s
bah, i\'d prefer our unique asses any day to these five minute wonder asses

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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2005, 07:44:05 am »
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Simply put, they don\'t. A few \'high profile\' \'oldbies\' leave, the rest of us stay for longer, and new people continue to arrive and the gaps get filled in. Nothing has ever changed- but I can understand it must look different from you perspective, since you havn\'t been around long enough to watch the whole cycle so far. :) You will learn, my young padowan... in time, you will learn.


I moved out of Padawanism when Efflixi Aduro was born thank you very much. :)
And I have been here almost a year now. (Actually... in like 30 days it\'ll be my one year anivesery since my fesfes account is registered on July 9th.) So I think I have seen the process. I mean just look at the list. Seprot, Faldrok, Aledrion, Kuiper, Xalthar, Drak, Kada-El, New-Pie, Savaion, Kwartz (yes he left) and some others I dont remember right now.
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2005, 08:21:44 pm »
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lol, I had payment problems with my hosting company, so all my sites went down :P Should be back up in a day or so.

I\'m in IRC every day at most times of the day :) So I am around. And I\'m in the middle of exams as Annah said so I don\'t have as much time for forum browsing as I have in the past.

As for a update on the guild; I\'m not the guild leader any more, and the guild is both private and secret. :) The private bit won\'t change I think, but the secret bit may in the future.


Oh Shucks I thought you were gone for good /cry

A cycle oh shaddup there is no important cycle, you guys look to deep into this.
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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2005, 01:36:24 pm »
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Oh Shucks I thought you were gone for good /cry

A cycle oh shaddup there is no important cycle, you guys look to deep into this.


Lol, I\'m going to be around to haunt you forever :D

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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2005, 05:29:24 pm »
There\'s nothing \'deep\' about it, really. (Edit: After writing this, I\'d like to change that: it\'s very deep xD) Here\'s an example of how, in general, things play out. I\'d like to use Efflixi and Kiern as common examples, if you guys don\'t mind. :) It\'s just namedropping to help explain some concepts.

This is a typical cycle, not an exact one. This is from my personal experience and may differ from others according to personalities and opinions. (This is written as a sort of timeline):


Year 0: I first arrived in PS. I was a newbie. My \'generation\' were people like Seperot, Draklar, Pooky, etc. For us, \'oldbies\' were people like Kada, Kiern, Paxx, Link, etc. We saw many of them leave over time. One of the reasons they left was being unable to accept the newbies, unable to identify with them anymore. People also left through gradual loss of interest.

Year 1: My generation matured, and became the main part of the community as our oldbies became a little rarer and more obscure. We saw newbies arriving, and many of us found it hard to identify with them. Confident, self-sure, and somewhat bitter, we flamed and degraded them for their lack of intellect and knowledge. We saw more oldbies leaving, for whatever reasons, and assumed it was all going to pot in this community. Depression and bitterness began to kick in. We forgot that we were once just stupid newbies ourselves, being flamed and scorned by the generations above us.

Year 2: We matured into early \'oldbie\' stages, and some left, for the same reasons as our elders before us. Our newbies (Efflixi) matured and become the main part of the community. Many of my generation felt they couldn\'t relate to these newcomers and lost hope. This is where my generation had witnessed its first full cycle, as we ourselves became the oldbies we saw when we first arrived. Our newbies, people like Efflixi (who are now the \'main part of the community\'), witnessed people from my generation leaving.

Present: This is where the transition begins to occur. Subconciously, the depression of seeing his oldbies leaving makes Efflixi\'s generation feel that something is going wrong. Their newbies are still tolerated and pretty much ignored (for the most part). Still, some of my generation oldbies (Kiern, Gronomist) are still around. Many of Efflixi\'s generation oldbies (people from my generation) are still around.

Future: The cycle continues, and eventually Efflixi himself will become an oldbie; perhaps a calm, insightful, knowledgeable one like Ayshe or Kada... or the other type, cursing the new people, watching his elders lose interest and leave, causing him to become more bitter as time wears on, transforming him into the typical elitist oldbie who, eventually, leaves too, full of hate and lost hope. It will depend mostly on his personality and experiences here. But, if he does become a bitter oldbie, Efflixi will not be missed when he eventually moves on. As we probably won\'t miss people like Kiern (for example) who can\'t be as nice to the newer generations as he was with his own generation. Oldbies who refuse to identify with the main body of the community are forgotten quicker than the rest, and the cycle continues regardless.

Not every oldbie becomes bitter and full of hatred like some of my oldbies have. :) Many more simply lose interest and inevitably fade away. My theory is that the further from being a \'newbie\' you become, the less you can identify with the newbies that are always arriving to fill the gaps. The ones who survive are the ones who can keep themselves involved in the ever-changing main body of the community, those who realise that change is inevitable, and not always a bad thing. It\'s not a downward spiral, as the bitter oldbies may ceaslessly chant; a spiral, yes, but downward only in their eyes.



Some notes: I chose Efflixi as an example of \'my generation newbies\' since he\'s someone who springs immediately to mind for me. We laughed at how sad he looked when he first arrived as FESFES (sorry Efflixi, but it\'s true) and now he forms the main body of the community along with the others who arrived with him. He is no longer the clueless newbie he started as- he has learned, just like we all do. But he will inevitably find it hard, just like most of us, to stay in touch with the newer, \'dumber\' generations; it is so easy to forget how we began ourselves, and our growing time and experience here may make us think we\'re better than them. Well, we all started there. We all asked some stupid questions. We didn\'t always use the search button or be bothered to read pages upon pages of settings and history before asking a harmless question. And yes, we got shot down for it too.

I chose Kiern as an example of the \'bitter oldbie\' because... well... he is. I don\'t think he will consider it an insult. :) But he is a great example to use.

Me explaining all this doesn\'t change a thing- there will always be those who can\'t accept it, or those who may have their own theories. Like I say, it all depends on your opinions and what you personally experience. It\'s just nice to see how it all fits together, how we interact and change over time... I find it fascinating.



...*looks up*... Er... so what was the topic again? :/

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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2005, 05:52:41 pm »
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 Well said Mogura, well said. Though, I have just one thing to add.

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But he will inevitably find it hard, just like most of us, to stay in touch with the newer, \'dumber\' generations;

 In your opinion, this means that with every new generation that comes, the people who comes along with them, are \'dumber\' and \'dumber\'? Sorry, but I have to disagree with you in this matter. Every generation has its own \'dumb\' people, or \'wise\' (if I can say it like this). Like you said, it\'s a cycle that repeats itself on and on, until one point, that is inevitable of course. That would be when PS will slowly fade away, \'eaten\', consumed by other newer games.

 What can be said more, I guess there will be remain some persons that were from the beginning, and that will \'catch\' the last cycle, and fade away with it. I was here in the beginning, and yep, I\'d love to be at the end. After all, the friendships that are forged in this time, the fun \'achieved\' together with others, these are the only things that really matters.

 And maybe for some, it\'s just hard to accomodate with newer people, repeating over and over they didn\'t have other \'oldbies\' before them, and for them, everyone\'s a newbie. Those aren\'t fans you know, are just people who like and think way too high for themselves.

 I always tried (ok, maybe not always, so no comments, I grew) to behave like each person is from my own generation, to consider them my equals. Maybe it wasn\'t the most brilliant idea, because it caused some damage to my reputation, but at least hell yeah, it was fun. I mean, I could\'ve been like all others, like Kada, like Kendrick, Whitti, and others. Just to stay in the shadows, create a high reputation, coming from \'time to time\' with a wise comment. Uhmm, well, sorry, I preffered it this way, and no, I don\'t regret it. And what I do hope, is no one will regret any moment, just live, and enjoy it ...

 ;)

 As for you Mogura, you seem different, it\'s like you, grew. Don\'t know if that\'s a good, or a bad thing yet.

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