A Thing that kills all Free MMORPGs

[Phinehas]

*Reads through a few posts...*

I\'m with Seytra. I don\'t care what the argument\'s about. I\'m with Seytra.

[leji]

I cant say better than

*Reads through a few posts...*

I\'m with Seytra. I don\'t care what the argument\'s about. I\'m with Seytra.

[Pestilence]

*pushes Phinhas and leji into the snakepit luahgs then sees the snakes exually like Phinehas* :S

Pointless posts people

Anyhow as much as Seytra is a likable person, it might be better to atleast read what he thinks before agreeing with him. Sure Seytra will like that a whole lot more aswell you agreeing with what he said when you know what he said.

[Phinehas]

Actually, not necessarily. I\'d say it\'d be quite flattering to have someone think so highly of you that they\'re certain you\'re right in an argument without even knowing what it\'s about...

(Besides, I did read his last post, and it made a whole lot of sense. )

[Rumley Benson]

PlaneShift has bad lag in many parts right now for me.  I also discovered lag while playing another free MMORPG...

Anyways, I\'m not trying to diss PS, just saying it already has terrible lag (sometimes).  I still enjoy playing it, just trying to report the facts.

[Androgos]

Originally posted by Rumley Benson
PlaneShift has bad lag in many parts right now for me.  I also discovered lag while playing another free MMORPG...

Anyways, I\'m not trying to diss PS, just saying it already has terrible lag (sometimes).  I still enjoy playing it, just trying to report the facts.

Not lag, FPS drop.

Lag = server connection
FPS drop = Your hardware

[Fredex]

The thing that kills MMORPG\'s the most is obsessive players that get to the highest levels then just go round scamming people and eating their souls. Maybe this could be stopped by introducing a life for the characters, so after a while they die. Obviously the obsessive players would then die of shock and their fatness but they don\'t contribute anything to society anyway...

[Arkumin Delvrim]

WHAT?? There\'s soul-eating?? AH!! MUST get to highest level fast!! WHAT? No levels?? argh!

...I\'m PL\'ing my RP skill as fast as I can but I can\'t find the next trainer!

/me sighs and drinks another beer

[druke]

Originally posted by Phinehas
Actually, not necessarily. I\'d say it\'d be quite flattering to have someone think so highly of you that they\'re certain you\'re right in an argument without even knowing what it\'s about...

(Besides, I did read his last post, and it made a whole lot of sense. )

ya i\'ve been seeing tat alot Seytra\'s posts are usually the best arguments and generally are a complete win...

be funny if seytra deny\'s this..

*imagines the paradox*

[Serac]

You all seem to look highly down on Power gaming, However the way I see it pging doesn\'t hurt rping in any form, if anything it improves it.

I get the feeling most of you \"hardcore\" rpers just \"talk the talk\" Well, pging imo is a form of rping. Seeking power is a trait bound to all humans, and a likely characteristic of other races as well. Just because somebody enjoys killing, and training their character doesn\'t mean that its hurting you. The problem is to many 12 year olds that power game and have a lack of respect for people in general tend to give pgers a bad name. If you\'ve played half as many rpgs as I have, you begin to understand. Most mature players rp, we just all do it in different ways.

\"Actions speak louder then words\" <-- Wise saying.

PS: Im a fan of pging, as well as rping.

[Karyuu]

I think the main argument against power-levelers is that the majority of them aren\'t interested in roleplaying at all, and thus use OOC talk (with stats, numbers, etc.) continuously in the chat, usually with no desire to use parentheses or brackets of any kind. Playing a character who enjoys killing or hunting does not make the character a power-leveler by itself. It\'s the missing roleplay aspect that does it - who is doing the killing: the earthman, Johny, or his Yliakuun Enkidukai, Anukoruhn (random example)? Characters have histories, reasons for actions, reasons for killing. If he\'s here just to kill pixels on the screen, Johny doesn\'t belong in PlaneShift and will be better accepted by the communities of other, less strict games. If his character however is a bloodthirsty hunter who kills to know that he is alive, Johny and his Enki will be embraced with open arms by the roleplay community. But there is a clear difference.

If you do not roleplay, if your character is not separate from your own persona enough to permit roleplay, something must be done - either finding a game better suited to the power-leveler\'s needs, or trying to build a better character with words instead of stats.

[Frank]

for the means of testing right now it isnt bad to have the P.L. in  the beta stage beacuse they can find bugs very fast. I also have to say to RP right now in game with just fighting and mining  is very hard to do. I willing to bet most of the RP  keep comming back to check on how far the game is comming  and are just waiting for other skills to come in and the char. wipe to come too. I know that what im waiting on to play this game.

[TheEvil_MrFink]

I think that there are enough PL MMORPG games out there, I think that aiming for a \"pure\" (as pure as it gets) RP MMORPG is a cool idea.

 I think enforcing it would  have to be done the same way pencil and paper RPG\'s solve it, by making fighting difficult. When you are playing unknown armies you don\'t go around fighting every tom dick and harry, because there is a good chance you are going to get you but kicked. In Call of Cthulhu you don\'t stick your nose in every door and attack every ugly, the system of the game is designed for this.

 I think we should avoid doing what white-wolf did, making a game with cool (no debate) backstory and lots of opertunity for roleplaying yet giving the players lots of 1337 powers, how many vampire, werewolf games have degenerated into powermongering or \"Lets kill stuff\" kind of games? Too many.

 If you want to PL go PL in a PL MMORPG, not every computer game has to be designed for everyone. The Sims was not designed for Quake players. Almost all MMORPGs out there are PL friendly, if this one isn\'t why would you care (as a PL)?

[Karyuu]

Originally posted by Frank
I willing to bet most of the RP  keep comming back to check on how far the game is comming  and are just waiting for other skills to come in and the char.

Guess what? You lose ;) Many people don\'t quite seem to understand that roleplay can take place without skills, without training, and without every object model imaginable (though certainly many different options to help the player behind the character sink into the Yliakum world are great). It\'s quite true that testing the boundaries of the system and its code is vital in the development stages of the game, but honestly, by this time do you think that there are players that have not achieved the current max in things, for testing? That no one killed enough Tefusangs to find that you crash after killing your 499th? ;) At this point, powerleveling has absolutely no place in the game. If you keep falling OOC during roleplay sessions because you\'re bored, try to make things interesting - think of scenarios, plan with other players, involve other people.

Roleplay can happen with text alone - the only thing the 3D world does is help the player see a few things through the eyes of his or her character.

[Rumley Benson]

For all of this talk of role-play in PS, there\'s very litttle of it .  But, nonethless, there are a few (and you\'re on my list ), and I always try take the initiative and role-play no matter who I\'m interacting with.