Radiant Fate- Knowledge Keepers!!

[Phinehas]

Originally posted by Cyl
So now to clarify, who did start declaring war, and what were the reasons again?

Don\'t encourage them!

[Thoronador]

Originally posted by Cyl
So now to clarify, who did start declaring war, and what were the reasons again?

Yes, that would be interesting to know.
Just to clarify the main point again: Radiant Fate did not declare war to any guild, because we don\'t want any war.

And then you give your so-called \"reasons\":
You say that we are mass recruiting, but your spies should have read one of my posts about guild invites:

Originally posted by Thoronador in the RF forums
We should not focus on mass recruiting or try to get as much members as we can, because many of them will possibly not be too active or maybe they even won\'t become active at all...

Maybe you missed this post. But to give evidence for that your spies should review the posts in our topic about guild invites. They will see that I invited not a single player after I posted this. We stopped mass recruiting, believe it or not, it\'s up to you.

Originally posted by Talamir
Since these three are the only three who actually appear in-game after the first day, I consider them the guild. Having a grudge against every single one, I consider the guild (right now them -.-) an enemy...

Uh-hu, interesting. So if anybody dislikes two or three members of a guild with more than 200 members, you can declare war to them? That\'s new to me, but maybe I missed something. I didn\'t read read the AI\'s charter where there first paragraph possibly starts like \"If you don\'t like a single member of a certain guild, report to the Guild Master and we will declare a guild war to them.\"
You are one of those guys who judges a book of several hundred pages after reading the first sentence, are you?

You are also saying that we insulted you or members of your guild. I can say that I never insulted anybody in-game, nor will I do so in the future, because this would take away all the atmosphere that makes a game like PS worth playing.
According to the other members of our guild it was actually you who started insulting members of Radiant Fate randomly and without any obvious reason, and in return they reported your behaviour to a GM. That\'s the way things work.

Originally posted by ramlambmoo
Now, if we were a \"good\" guild, perhaps we would try talking to you to change this. But talking requires effort, and unlike many of the good guilds, we dont enjoy the sounds of our own voices. You are ignorant. Dead people are not ignorant. The conclusion is a given.

Yes, I fully agree with you, violence surely is the solution for all of your problems. :rolleyes:
But maybe the reason you don\'t want to talk to us is your fear of probably loosing this verbal fight. Such a guild like yours that claims to be a much better guild than ours should have no problems at all in winning such a discussion. But hey, if you don\'t feel in the mood for a more mature conversation, I can understand this.
And maybe killing all the players of PS who don\'t share the same opinion with you would be fine for you? OK, start slaying everybody you can, but be aware that you\'ll probaly have to fight all players, except yourself.

Thoronador

[Talamir]

Uh-hu, interesting. So if anybody dislikes two or three members of a guild with more than 200 members, you can declare war to them? That\'s new to me, but maybe I missed something. I didn\'t read read the AI\'s charter where there first paragraph possibly starts like \"If you don\'t like a single member of a certain guild, report to the Guild Master and we will declare a guild war to them.\" You are one of those guys who judges a book of several hundred pages after reading the first sentence, are you? You are also saying that we insulted you or members of your guild. I can say that I never insulted anybody in-game, nor will I do so in the future, because this would take away all the atmosphere that makes a game like PS worth playing. According to the other members of our guild it was actually you who started insulting members of Radiant Fate randomly and without any obvious reason, and in return they reported your behaviour to a GM. That\'s the way things work.

Can you stop pretending that all 200 are active members? You should be embarassed to say that you have 200. Damn, whats wrong with you? I dont see the server full of RF members, meaning they are inactive. Those three are the only ACTIVE ones. Get it through your damn head buddy, you dont have 200 active members. And yes, if I have a problem with every active member of a guild, that guild is basically an enemy. You dont like how I work, go whine to a GM.

because this would take away all the atmosphere that makes a game like PS worth playing.

This guild does the same thing, leave.

But maybe the reason you don\'t want to talk to us is your fear of probably loosing this verbal fight.

Dont count on it. I\'ve had a verbal fight with your leader, I, and everyone there would have said I won that because of his useless babbleing of the same thing over and over again... And like Phinehas I get tierd of this same thing. I would like to end this endless arguement between AI and RF. And so I shall, \"You Stink\" .

Please dont post here ramlambmoo, this is a waste of both parties times.

[Phinehas]

*yawn* This is so pathetic it\'s just sad. Why can\'t we have some intelligent people who know how to argue get into fights like this? Why does it have to be reduced to new guilds insulting each other in what is reminiscent of a playground tussle?

[ramlambmoo]

You say that we are mass recruiting, but your spies should have read one of my posts about guild invites:

   

Originally posted by Thoronador in the RF forums
    We should not focus on mass recruiting or try to get as much members as we can, because many of them will possibly not be too active or maybe they even won\'t become active at all...

Maybe you missed this post. But to give evidence for that your spies should review the posts in our topic about guild invites. They will see that I invited not a single player after I posted this. We stopped mass recruiting, believe it or not, it\'s up to you.  

Just because you made a post halfway through the thread doesnt mean its offical guild policy.  You are not the head of the guild, and I have had information that up until 2? days ago (before the guild stopped recruiting because of \"spies\" ) people were still, in practice, being mass recruited in, with people standing at the spawn point inviting everyone not in a guild.  Besides, the damage has already been done, so to speak.  You would have to kick out everyone in the guild that you mass invited to correct the situation.  Thankfully the devs will do that for you in a very short time with the wipe.

Uh-hu, interesting. So if anybody dislikes two or three members of a guild with more than 200 members, you can declare war to them? That\'s new to me, but maybe I missed something. I didn\'t read read the AI\'s charter where there first paragraph possibly starts like \"If you don\'t like a single member of a certain guild, report to the Guild Master and we will declare a guild war to them.\"  

When members of a guild are insulting you, then We hold the guild responsible.  Whether you like it or not, you are responsible for every one of your members actions, when they are interacting with other guilds.  We have recieved insults from multiple members of your guild, and so we have reacted.  We dont need to get a friggen majority of members or interview everyone to see what their opinions are, as it were it is almost impossible to reach all your members.  If multiple members of a guild insult us, then we will react, and that is what has happened.  

You are also saying that we insulted you or members of your guild. I can say that I never insulted anybody in-game, nor will I do so in the future, because this would take away all the atmosphere that makes a game like PS worth playing.  

There are 199 other members apart from you, you know.  

According to the other members of our guild it was actually you who started insulting members of Radiant Fate randomly and without any obvious reason, and in return they reported your behaviour to a GM. That\'s the way things work.

Of course your members are going to tell you that.  They\'re not going to be truthful and say \"I insulted Atrox Interfecio and now they\'re all angry and want to kill us\", are they?  

Yes, I fully agree with you, violence surely is the solution for all of your problems.  

I think it\'s pretty undeniable that if you were dead, I wouldnt have this problem.  So I would say, yes, violence is one solution to the problem.

But maybe the reason you don\'t want to talk to us is your fear of probably loosing this verbal fight. Such a guild like yours that claims to be a much better guild than ours should have no problems at all in winning such a discussion.

Excuse me?  Dont want to talk to you?  Here you go claiming more lies which are untrue.  First you claimed that

because you made some severe mistakes, too.  

and didnt back it up with evidence, and now this.  Ever wonder why perhaps this entire arguement is going on in your thread and not mine?  Unless im mistaken I started talking to you in this thread, not the other way around.  Do you have any factual evidence that we \"dont\" want to talk to you?  I think the inherent nature of this conversation would imply otherwise, dont you?  

is your fear of probably loosing this verbal fight.

Hmm well lets take a peek at your forums, shall we?

PS:
@Charims and all high Council members:
I could possibly need some verbal support in the PS forums.

Well well well, it seems those who accuse truely do have something to hide themselves.  You are the one afraid of losing this arguement, so dont try and turn it around and make out that I am afraid.  I\'ve debated more pointless topics in internet forums then you\'ve had hot meals in your life, kiddo.  

But hey, if you don\'t feel in the mood for a more mature conversation, I can understand this.

How about you try stringing togeather a coherent arguement without resorting to baseless mud slinging?  You still havnt replyed to most of the points I made in my previous post, or the one before that, so I think that claim if anything applies to you more than me.

And maybe killing all the players of PS who don\'t share the same opinion with you would be fine for you? OK, start slaying everybody you can, but be aware that you\'ll probaly have to fight all players, except yourself.  

No, If I were to fight all the people that support pointless mass recruiting newbie guilds, and who dont reply to most of what you write, Then It wouldn\'t be too much work at all.  Because most of the members of this community, being sensible, dont do it.

*yawn* This is so pathetic it\'s just sad. Why can\'t we have some intelligent people who know how to argue get into fights like this? Why does it have to be reduced to new guilds insulting each other in what is reminiscent of a playground tussle?

Its not fair, look at the competition im up against, how am I meant to engage in a proper dicussion with that?  He doesnt even reply to most of what I say, let alone refute it...

[Phinehas]

I have made myself the unofficial announcer in this thread.

*Starts speaking briskly with a clear, crisp accent.*

It\'s a lovely day here in the Radiant Fate thread! There\'s been quite a bit of mindless mud-slinging and childish insults going on...

Ladies and gentlemen, it looks like the end could be near... It appears that Talamir is ordering his troops out of the arena. But wait! What\'s this? Ramlambmoo has disobeyed his guild leader! Oh my, what a fight ladies and gentlemen, what a fight!

[Shadowcast]

Originally posted by Talamir Wait...cleansing of ranks..who\'s idea was this? Yes, mine when i told Charims..of cource...he seemed a bit hot headed about it then..lemme guess. He came in and said that HE had a great idea..that you should cleanse the ranks! -_-

You no what it wasnt even Charims who decided to do it. It was Thoronador who proposed the idea and Our leaders accepted it. So you cant start going around saying thing that have almost no truth behind them.

Actually..many reasons..I find you have no etiquette in-game. \"Gaminator\" (one of charims alts in RF to boost member count -.-) insulted me and a freind. Also, I had to get a GM to port a member of yours twice, and she still wont stop running in circles around me calling me \"Kallabhan\"or somethin...Talrah seems to have a problem with my name *rolls eyes* So theres reasons..Since these three are the only three who actually appear in-game after the first day, I consider them the guild. Having a grudge against every single one, I consider the guild (right now them -.-) an enemy...Get your members to show some manners, please..and tell them to sign up on your forums damnit

These supposed players who are the only one on, i never hav seen on, and im on almost every day. Once again y do you tell stories that have almost no truth behind them? And Gaminator is Charims brother.

[gupgohanss5]

Thanks Thor, sorry i didnt check these forums, wow, our guild is becoming popular, or unpopular, whichever

I would like to say that i learned much since starting this guild.

Maturity is one of the largest factors that this stems from.

Would anyone like to know the beginning of this problem?

Well, it began before my guild even started.

Kenti challenged me, and i accepted, seeing as he had no weapon, though i did not know his melee was very high.

Of course, it took one hit, that is the way of things.

I returned form the death realm, and went along my way.

Now, kenti continued to challenge me after that, and i declined every time. Of course, i did not want to lose more duel points. I believe it seems logical.

My guild was created, and YES, if you did not read the first post of this topic, I mass recruited. I was and am sorry. Now, our guild has not mass recruited since the first 3 days of our guild.

Kenti continued to challenge me, and i declined, then, when we hit third largest guild, it escalated. Many confrontations occured, not jsut between kenti and I, but between others, many, i was eventually able to persuade that we no longer practiced mass recruitment.

Of course, these things take time, and become very stressful.

My problem does not lie alone with kenti, but with all other\'s who believe that our guild is an unorganized mess of mass recruiters.

We do not hope for confrontation as others do. Though  we have found that confrontation is the only means to solve a problem.

I hold no grudge towards anyone, and i feel that this has been a large misunderstanding.

Of course, i will not submit to a guild war and have my members complaining that they cant get anywherem becuase they keep getting killed.

Yes, i admit that my members are weak in game, but we have spirit. Throguh all of the barriers, our guild still stands tall, and will continue, even after the wipe. After the wipe, we will have 50 or more members, not too bad for the 3rd week.

If you believe that we even thought for a second that inviting newbs would make us stronger, than you got another thing coming. I have never told my members to go newb inviting, inviting yes.

Our guild has a theory, \"All people, no matter how strong, popualr, experianced, etc. has something to teach us\"

So, as long as they participate, they shall not be wiped. I am sorry that many of you feel that we should not be on the top 5 list. I am sorry that we even made it there, we have recieved a lot of publicity, and not all good either.

As a fledling guild, we are liable to mistakes, but a truly good guild will always bounce back.

Thankyou much for your criticism, and have a good day:)

[ramlambmoo]

Shadowcast, welcome to the Planeshift forums.  Its very noble of you to answer your brothers call.

PS:
@Charims and all high Council members:
I could possibly need some verbal support in the PS forums.

Unfortunatly, Making unfounded accusations isnt a great way to celebrate your first big post.  You\'re a big boy now, maybe you can do better than that?

These supposed players who are the only one on, i never hav seen on, and im on almost every day. Once again y do you tell stories that have almost no truth behind them? And Gaminator is Charims brother.

Oh dear, well, you havnt seen them on, so that settles it.  How many hours a day are you on?  4 or 5?  At most, that means you could only be on 20% of the time, at a maximum.  So I am of the opinion that It is very likely that you could not see these players online.  Also, If they are in a different timezone then it\'s very likely, if you both log on at the same times every day.  And, anyway, we didnt name any names, did we?  I did a quick search then and the two mains offenders havnt been mentioned by name in the discussion, so would you mind explaining how you know they havnt been on?  Thought not.

You no what it wasn\'t even Charims who decided to do it. It was Thoronador who proposed the idea and Our leaders accepted it. So you cant start going around saying thing that have almost no truth behind them.  

Yes, care to provide some proof to back that claim up?  Its very easy to say \"Oh Charims didnt suggest it but this other person did, in our secret Council chat that no one else apart from us can see\".  How convenient for you, It would appear?

gupgohanss5, while I disagree with alot of what you said, at least your post was coherent and made some sense.  I will take this as chance to leave this pointless arguement on a somewhat sane note, If any RF members wish to argue some more, PM me.

[Cyl]

This is getting so pathetic, I am about to think you both are lawyers on different sides, bending the facts to extremes and the outcome is just as false as the statement that the earth is the center of the universe...

So the possible best solution would be:

@AI-guild thingy: You stop trying to make some kind of war, and stop challenging/insulting. Even IF they did start with it, and stop aguring about matters of pride. IMHO you are as much an innocent sheep as RF.

@RF-guild thingy: You certainly are not as innocent as you want all others to belive you are. You seem to insist that it\'s all AI\'s fault, and that they are soooooooo bad and you are soooo innocent and did nothing to deserve their anger. My advice, get your members in a row. Fill into their (hopefully not to small) brains that they should knock it off and stop doing whatever they did to AI.

And to both: STOP calling the other one a liar, while you call yourself to be truthfull. Both of you certainly are not innocent and did intetionally disrupt the others so stop saying \"Teh otherzzz are fu**ing LIARZZZ!!11!!!11!!11!1!1one!!eleven!!!!onehundredeleven!!!!111111\"
both of you certainly bend the truth to your advantage.

And remember this IS a GAME not life and it\'s propose is having fun. And you neither need to feel your pride hurt nor do you have to freak out because of random challanges because you could simply tell your members to switch automatical declining on If they are \"soo poor and touched and ooooohhh sooo hurt\" because of the other\'s challenging (This is mainly directed to RF)

And last but not least, if you are to ignorant to sort it out, then at least move it somewhere else...

[Phinehas]

Originally posted by Cyl
This is getting so pathetic, I am about to think you both are lawyers on different sides, bending the facts to extremes and the outcome is just as false as the statement that the earth is the center of the universe...

So the possible best solution would be:

@AI-guild thingy: You stop trying to make some kind of war, and stop challenging/insulting. Even IF they did start with it, and stop aguring about matters of pride. IMHO you are as much an innocent sheep as RF.

@RF-guild thingy: You certainly are not as innocent as you want all others to belive you are. You seem to insist that it\'s all AI\'s fault, and that they are soooooooo bad and you are soooo innocent and did nothing to deserve their anger. My advice, get your members in a row. Fill into their (hopefully not to small) brains that they should knock it off and stop doing whatever they did to AI.

And to both: STOP calling the other one a liar, while you call yourself to be truthfull. Both of you certainly are not innocent and did intetionally disrupt the others so stop saying \"Teh otherzzz are fu**ing LIARZZZ!!11!!!11!!11!1!1one!!eleven!!!!onehundredeleven!!!!111111\"
both of you certainly bend the truth to your advantage.

And remember this IS a GAME not life and it\'s propose is having fun. And you neither need to feel your pride hurt nor do you have to freak out because of random challanges because you could simply tell your members to switch automatical declining on If they are \"soo poor and touched and ooooohhh sooo hurt\" because of the other\'s challenging (This is mainly directed to RF)

And last but not least, if you are to ignorant to sort it out, then at least move it somewhere else...

Behold the Way of the Drunken Master...

[Cyl]

Originally posted by Phinehas

Originally posted by Cyl
This is getting so pathetic, I am about to think you both are lawyers on different sides, bending the facts to extremes and the outcome is just as false as the statement that the earth is the center of the universe...

So the possible best solution would be:

@AI-guild thingy: You stop trying to make some kind of war, and stop challenging/insulting. Even IF they did start with it, and stop aguring about matters of pride. IMHO you are as much an innocent sheep as RF.

@RF-guild thingy: You certainly are not as innocent as you want all others to belive you are. You seem to insist that it\'s all AI\'s fault, and that they are soooooooo bad and you are soooo innocent and did nothing to deserve their anger. My advice, get your members in a row. Fill into their (hopefully not to small) brains that they should knock it off and stop doing whatever they did to AI.

And to both: STOP calling the other one a liar, while you call yourself to be truthfull. Both of you certainly are not innocent and did intetionally disrupt the others so stop saying \"Teh otherzzz are fu**ing LIARZZZ!!11!!!11!!11!1!1one!!eleven!!!!onehundredeleven!!!!111111\"
both of you certainly bend the truth to your advantage.

And remember this IS a GAME not life and it\'s propose is having fun. And you neither need to feel your pride hurt nor do you have to freak out because of random challanges because you could simply tell your members to switch automatical declining on If they are \"soo poor and touched and ooooohhh sooo hurt\" because of the other\'s challenging (This is mainly directed to RF)

And last but not least, if you are to ignorant to sort it out, then at least move it somewhere else...

Behold the Way of the Drunken Master...

Beware the wisdom of alcohol ...

[Robinmagus]

Originally posted by Cyl

Originally posted by Phinehas

Originally posted by Cyl This is getting so pathetic, I am about to think you both are lawyers on different sides, bending the facts to extremes and the outcome is just as false as the statement that the earth is the center of the universe... So the possible best solution would be: @AI-guild thingy: You stop trying to make some kind of war, and stop challenging/insulting. Even IF they did start with it, and stop aguring about matters of pride. IMHO you are as much an innocent sheep as RF. @RF-guild thingy: You certainly are not as innocent as you want all others to belive you are. You seem to insist that it\'s all AI\'s fault, and that they are soooooooo bad and you are soooo innocent and did nothing to deserve their anger. My advice, get your members in a row. Fill into their (hopefully not to small) brains that they should knock it off and stop doing whatever they did to AI. And to both: STOP calling the other one a liar, while you call yourself to be truthfull. Both of you certainly are not innocent and did intetionally disrupt the others so stop saying \"Teh otherzzz are fu**ing LIARZZZ!!11!!!11!!11!1!1one!!eleven!!!!onehundredeleven!!!!111111\" both of you certainly bend the truth to your advantage. And remember this IS a GAME not life and it\'s propose is having fun. And you neither need to feel your pride hurt nor do you have to freak out because of random challanges because you could simply tell your members to switch automatical declining on If they are \"soo poor and touched and ooooohhh sooo hurt\" because of the other\'s challenging (This is mainly directed to RF) And last but not least, if you are to ignorant to sort it out, then at least move it somewhere else...

Behold the Way of the Drunken Master...

Beware the wisdom of alcohol ...

Damn straight!

EDIT: typo?? wth??

[ramlambmoo]

This is getting so pathetic, I am about to think you both are lawyers on different sides, bending the facts to extremes and the outcome is just as false as the statement that the earth is the center of the universe...  

The irony, of someone trying to make out he\'s better then all those involved, feels compelled to join in the arguement and instantly lower himself to their standards.  Well done mate, you\'re one of us now.  Take some of your own advice?  My last post, I promise, heh....

[gupgohanss5]

As the Leader of Radiant Fate- Knowledge keepers, I would like to say that i feel partially guilty of specific accusations. Of course, they are in response to reasonable supspicion of a very quickly growing guild.

We will try our best to let you know that we have not spun facts or bent the truth.

Like i said earlier, it is not all AI\'s fualt. Nor is it all my fualt. My fight is not with AI, they are only part of it, I wish to expose my guild as it really is, and quite frankly, i believe i have done an excellent job defending my role with the help of other\'s. My fight is with all who believe that my guild is what it is not.

I know at times i have done wrongs, but i wish to correct them. My guild has grown considerably from what it was, and it continues to be better. I am sorry for those of you that feel that we mass recruit, etc.

But WE WILL NOT back down, we will fight, until the bloody end.

This may be a game, but im getting pretty in to it:)

TTYl Chad