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« Reply #105 on: July 31, 2005, 04:28:29 am »
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People will be re-importing their MB characters.  Will we start post-wipe with some super rich people from crystal -> tria conversions?

Indeed we will. And I maintain that the crystal transfer was a bad idea. Not because I didn\'t get to hunt > 2 rubies due to crappiness of my computer, but because the crystal hunt was the worst form of grind ever, has been cheated, hacked and bugged beyond all recognition, and also because it was not intended to be kept, just the continous whining made the devs transfer the crystals. Granted, the transfer isn\'t linear, but still.
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« Reply #106 on: July 31, 2005, 04:34:17 am »
turn that frown upside down!

your negativity is dampening my groove man! come one seytra, there must be something your positive about

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« Reply #107 on: July 31, 2005, 05:17:56 am »
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People will be re-importing their MB characters.  Will we start post-wipe with some super rich people from crystal -> tria conversions?

Indeed we will. And I maintain that the crystal transfer was a bad idea.

Ok, then it\'s not just me.  I don\'t think a \"wipe\" should allow something to be imported.  I\'d suggest some sort of total game-play-time based time award, but then again CB had a few people who just never logged out.  (to exploit potions)  At this point I say:  just wipe everything.

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« Reply #108 on: July 31, 2005, 06:57:26 am »
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Ok, then it\'s not just me. I don\'t think a \"wipe\" should allow something to be imported. I\'d suggest some sort of total game-play-time based time award, but then again CB had a few people who just never logged out. (to exploit potions) At this point I say: just wipe everything.


Its easy for you to say just wipe everything, if you dont have a char from MB.  Everything is getting wiped, and going back to the way it was at the start of CB / end of MB.

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« Reply #109 on: July 31, 2005, 07:38:51 am »
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Its easy for you to say just wipe everything, if you dont have a char from MB.

I did... he just doesn\'t have anything to import, because MB ran like molasses running on a Voodoo graphics card...  :P

Besides, as Seytra said, crystals were bugged and exploited just as much as the stuff in CB.  It doesn\'t make sense to wipe to fix CB\'s \"exploits, cheaters, and bugged accounts\" yet not MB\'s.

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« Reply #110 on: July 31, 2005, 07:39:17 am »
If I had any good charecters I\'d hate you for this wipe.

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« Reply #111 on: July 31, 2005, 07:44:20 am »
Characters starting off with anything more than the rest will incourage PL. Nutshell.
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« Reply #112 on: July 31, 2005, 08:46:31 am »
I totaly agree with DaveG.
Congratulations for the post!
I also think duelling in plaza should be banned (well if not banned, at least greatly discouraged having guards or something).
And about PL this is my ideea:
You only want to PL without interacting with other ppl? Fine, knock yourself out and play a RPG.
Shurely you won\'t be able to sell your char here for 5000$ ^^
You want to have a balanced experience between RP and levelling? Then play a  MMORPG.
I mean why would someone be involved in a game that has ppl in it just to max all stats?
To brag to others how strong he/she is? Well, ad this thread (initialy a wipe thread and now a RP vs PL thread) clearly sugested nobody cares how strong you are.
Or will you progress in order to kill others in duels so you can say \"i showed them\". Then if that is the reason, don\'t forget that here a duel has to be accepted by the chalanged person so your plans might not work.

Besides this i really think there should be more monsters arround (that\'s why i previously asked about if clackers, gobles, grendols etc will be lootable) because that might prevent seiing 10 ppl camping a rat.

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« Reply #113 on: July 31, 2005, 08:56:06 am »
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If I had any good charecters I\'d hate you for this wipe.

I have a good character (lawfull good :p ) and it is a leveled one too (although i\'m not a powerleveler) and i don\'t hate anybody for the wipe. (ic) The gods got angry with us or had other reasons and made us all week again. There is nothing wrong with that. You will still have the most important thing left (and no god can take that away from you)... friends. And knoledge of the world. Oh and almost forgot, and free drinks at Kada El\'s. So after the wipe get a drink there and i bet the hate will go away ;)
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« Reply #114 on: July 31, 2005, 10:28:01 am »
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Its easy for you to say just wipe everything, if you dont have a char from MB.

Besides, as Seytra said, crystals were bugged and exploited just as much as the stuff in CB.  It doesn\'t make sense to wipe to fix CB\'s \"exploits, cheaters, and bugged accounts\" yet not MB\'s.


If you spent as much time collecting crytals as some people did *cough* fireofsoul *cough*
You would want something out of it. I spent quite a while collecting too. Its just not fair for all those people who played mb to not get anything. CB players knew they would lose everything at the wipe. On the flip side, mb players were told that they would get at least somthing transferred from mb to cb.

Also, there were 2 cheaters in MB, psybur and somone else. Both were banned. There were bugs in mb but nothing to do with crystals.

@Sikarda, we try to stay away from flaming here. You could have easly said the same thing without calling whoever a nutshell. Be nice.

And your statement is totally wrong by the way. The people who played MB only rp\'ed in game, the mb players arn\'t power levelers, period.
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« Reply #115 on: July 31, 2005, 10:59:47 am »
Apologies, I wasn\'t flaming/calling anyone a \'Nutshell , by \'Nutshell\' I meant \'In a Nutshell\' :)

That is great that there are no PLR\'s in MB. But, and yes I am speculating, if there are character/s in the next update with loads of Tria or what-have-you i\'m sure we\'ll hear about it. Hence, I reckon this will induce PL even more.

If \'they\' are as serious about RP as has been discussed, why do they need anything? Lead by example?.

(For arguements sake, I RP, and am, albeit slowly :), creating my own character history and identity).
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« Reply #116 on: July 31, 2005, 11:09:13 am »
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@Sikarda, we try to stay away from flaming here. You could have easly said the same thing without calling whoever a nutshell. Be nice.

I believe he was trying to sum things up \"in a nutshell\".  I don\'t think that was intended to be an insult of any kind.

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CB players knew they would lose everything at the wipe. On the flip side, mb players were told that they would get at least somthing transferred from mb to cb.

MBers became CBers the second CB came out.  They knew the wipe was coming just as much as I did.

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Its just not fair for all those people who played mb to not get anything.

Why?...  This is a pre-alpha test, and if you\'re not a PLer, why do you need something tangeble?  :D

Now, I do agree that some level of seniority-based awards may be a good idea.  If you\'ve managed to stick around a while playing AB/MB/CB for a long amount of time, thus contributing to the testing (I hope) and proving your usefulness, you should be rewarded for your efforts by being allowed to skip the menial steps towards advancing to the actual stuff that needs to be tested.  (wow... that was a run-on sentace if I ever saw one :P )  I already suggested a game-play time based award of tria, but also noted the flaw with it.

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I\'d suggest some sort of total game-play time based time award, but then again CB had a few people who just never logged out. (to exploit potions)

However, I wouldn\'t go against this idea, in spite of the small number of (now inactive) people who would accidentally exploit it.

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It seems that while I was typing this mess of a reply... Sikarda beat me to half the stuff...  :P
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« Reply #117 on: July 31, 2005, 11:58:17 am »
Just before CB, I gave away all my stuff!  I do not have any problem with people having played CB not being treated \"fairly\".

On the \"dev\" point of view, I\'d rather make sure that some people test my new features (those that require stats or things therefore money) as soon as possible to get rid of the bugs. (I agree with DaveG on that) If you or me are not part of those poeple, who cares?

We will have fun, get beers at the tavern and if we have to pay for those we will either find a way to get some money or RP for some free one. :D
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« Reply #118 on: July 31, 2005, 12:20:55 pm »
I just came back from my holidays and find this news interesting



but...



I hope everything will be done without any problem. I hope for example that there will be enough of time for the migration this time... because one week wasnt enough in my mind... especially during the holiday time
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« Reply #119 on: July 31, 2005, 12:54:19 pm »
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I\'m probably in the extreme minority here, and I\'ll probably get chased out with pitchforks and torches, but I\'m the sort who plays MMORPGs to gain levels and skills and such, sure, but I understand rather well what RP is.  I just usually choose to avoid RP in MMORPGs, though I try to avoid disrupting it if I see it going on.  Granted, most MMORPGs don\'t exactly have environments that encourage RP, though...  I suppose it\'s just unfair to label all of those who are there simply for the mechanics of the game as ignorant of RP...


Actually what should get you run out with a pitchfork is admitting that you aren\'t ignorant of RP and are simply in it for the mechanics of the game. Hey! Where\'s the \"the game is for RP and if you aren\'t one get out\" response?? Oh well, probably further on. You should see the pitchfork holes in my rear! Actually avoiding RP in this game so far has been rather easy. I rarely see it going on, and then usually only by newbies. I\'m attributing that to the Wipe that seems to have been pending since the CB upgrade. We\'ll see what happens after it. I don\'t think of people standing around the Plaza near the GM\'s ignoring the Newbies as they pop into the game and griping about the duels that happen almost nonstop on the Plaza as Role Playing. Then again, I won\'t say it\'s totally nonexistent. If you look in the Guild and Role Playing sections of these forums, they\'re quite active. That\'s not in the game though is it? It\'ll be interesting to see if the Role Players of this RPG MMORPG actually come out after the Wipe, or if they\'re once again only seen in the forums.

The nature of the capabilities and limitations of MMORPGs up to this point have limited RPG play so far IMHO. The advantage that non-computer Role Playing and MUD\'s have over MMORPGs is that the lack of graphics and sophisticated AI\'s force the interaction of human imagination and creativity. Until the technology of MMORPGs reaches the point that allows something to equal this, all P2P MMORPGs eventually dumb down to PL\'ing by most players.

Having said that, this NON-P2P has the best chance of turning into a more MUD-like MMORPG than any P2P, IMHO. Eventually it will reach the point where the Devs bring it out of testing. Since it\'s not ever going P2P, the drive to add content geared solely at adding and/or keeping customers won\'t be the be all and end all of content creation that it is in P2P\'s. Nor will they have to fear losing their \"customer\" base because they decide that something isn\'t working with their goal and they make a massive change to the game to come closer to achieving it.

Elaborate RPG actually does occur in the P2P MMORPGs, and usually done by and creates the most loyal customers. But the appeal of a growing first time user base that at least stays long enough to PL to the limit of the game has driven most of them to add \"expansions\" as fast as possible to access the most profit possible. The tide seems to be turning back with the addition and expansion of quest systems, housing and crafting. We\'ll see. In P2P\'s profit is the bottom line. PS could add all of this and still see the same thing the P2P\'s see; PL\'ers massively outnumber RPG\'ers. It may depend more on the RPG community\'s ability to create content that encourages more newbies to RP than PL. It may take some form of GM that\'s really a Game Master instead of a Rules Moderator. It may be beyond the limitations and nature of MMORPGs at present. At least with PS, there is a very capable testing ground for all theories.

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