Summery and More: Vampires, Werewolfs, and the people who hate them.

[Karyuu]

Leech spells are one thing, one thing I certainly like, but vampires are another. I\'m also quite familiar with the origins of vampiric beings throughout various cultures, so Hollywood has very little influence ;) Spells are spells, while an individual that survives on blood or flesh of others is another.

[Verrliit]

Sigh.  You miss the point, Karyuu.

I will spell it out for you.

Leech spells are inevitable. They are too basic a concept.

The moment that Leech spells are enabled, Vampires will exist in PS.

The Devs labor to provide a framework and props.  The canned quests recorded in the NPCs will set a tone.  But it is the players who create most of what is in PS.

Those who wish to play as Vampires will fill in what is missing, just as they do with everything else.  Players could use Duel Points as a symbol of the transfer of life, and RP it now, if they wanted to.

In the end, this is the reason we keep coming back to PS:   to find our own stories, and then tell them to each other.

A spell is not just a spell.

PS is not just a chat room with graphics.

Not if you have an imagination.


There will be Vampires.  Get used to it.


The Dark Lady
Verrliit

[Karyuu]

There will be Vampires. Get used to it.

I don\'t see why I have to get used to something that doesn\'t exist and has little chance of existing :) You seem to miss a lot of logistics. Spells will never be cast on other players unless both parties agree. Your \"vampires\" will never go around feeding off of unwilling victims, thus never making them real vampires. How many \"vampiric\" spells do you think will be available? A player will have to specialize in a tiny amount to show \"vampiric\" skill in the game. And I was not talking about roleplay.

A player can create a lot in Yliakum, but not everything. A player will never be allowed to recreate the Greek pantheon, or bring in Norse mythology, or get away with Vodou. There are limits as to how much of the outside can be brought in, and vampires/werewolves are outsideof this limit.

[Valbrandr]

Did you say Norse Mythology?

*Valbrandr quickly erases his guilds name.

And sorry Verrliit, there will atleast never be a Vampire guild that posts here and most likely their name would get changed in game.  If I am not mistaken, Moogie and .. hmm.. someone tried to make one not too long ago and there thread was flamed by everyone.  Not a pretty sight... Good luck though with an underground Vampire guild though .

[Karyuu]

OT: I am such a fan of Norse mythology though ^^ I set about memorizing as many of the translated eddas as possible - so far I\'ve just the creation story down - but man is it a beautiful and cold world :) Scandinavia will always be my dream home.

Back on topic: I don\'t think there is anything preventing players for roleplaying by themselves, in whatever groups they find, of things that will never be officially recognized. For example I have my own desert world, with its own creatures, traditions, and culture. And there are players whose characters speak of \"dragons\" or draconic beasts, winged humans, and all sorts of unofficial baggage. The point is that such things should not be pushed to official recognition, because they don\'t work with the seeettiiiiing :P

[Valbrandr]

OT: I am such a fan of Norse mythology though ^^ I set about memorizing as many of the translated eddas as possible - so far I\'ve just the creation story down - but man is it a beautiful and cold world Scandinavia will always be my dream home.

I love Norse Myth as well.  It is my favorite but few people really study it because of Greek Myth and whatnot.

You are correct that they do not belong here.  Originality counts for so much.  Thats why we are redoing SoR (Sentinels of Ragnarok) as well.  It makes RP awkward and no one really takes you seriously...   not that they do anyway   .

[Keyaz]

vampires suck >:| pun very much so intended

[Verrliit]

You mistake me, Valbrandr.  Although I dearly love the novels of Chelsea Quinn Yarbro and enjoy the work of Anne Rice, I have no plans to bring Vampires to PS myself.

I simply point out that it will eventually happen.

The fact that this particular idea seems to be hated by many, is actually a bonus, for passion is what gives life to the game.

It seems that it would serve quite well, as the heart\'s desire of heroes.

A great and powerful Evil must exist, or there can be nothing heroic to do.

If the Devs want to steer the story, they will have to write something to limit the infection, call them lifestealers and they do no bloodsucking, create a rule or two, etc.

If the Devs already have a Vampire project on the way, they should say so, to reserve the conceptual space, and ask for patience.  Otherwise, Vampire RP will probably go forward in spite of them, and could easily have done so already.

The concept of Vampirism is powerful.  Too many love the basic idea for it to stay dead.

There is a way to make it work.  All it takes is enough imagination.


The Dark Lady
Verrliit

[Karyuu]

Very poetic, Verrliit, but dark and powerful evils exist without the aid of \"vampires.\" RP will happen, but it will never be sanctioned, and many will frown upon it and refuse to participate.

Too many love the idea of dragons. However that won\'t happen as well.

[Keyaz]

nooooo >.< you said teh eeevil! quick throw holy water in my eyes it burns!!!! you make me read blasphemy! AAIIEEE!!

:| not gonna happen

[Valbrandr]

I guess anything is possible.  I worry about too many of the oldbies leaving and the game fundamentaly changing from RP to PVP and the basic \"I want Vampires, Werewolves, Dragons, Ewoks, and a few other things.\"  But if many of the oldbies who have influence stay.. then actual Vampires.. no.  But very possible leech spells and the occasional person rping a Vampire or whatever.

[Drey]

some people come in here with the most crazy ideas...

where really is the need for vampires and werewolfs..?
also i don get the thing people have with dragons, whats really cool is dinosaurs. i remember when i was little i had this really big dinosaur toy and it was cool and then there is a certain little song, Dinosaurs will die by NoFX thats cool too.

what im trying to say to people with these crazy ideas(like the devil wings guy and whatever) is, there are certain things that dont need to be changed just because a person decides it will be \'cool\'.

now i did some thinking someone asked me about vampires in the plaza the other day.. and i was all \"heh? vampiers? never heard anything of \'em\"

[Keyaz]

whats a vanned pie-er? o.O

do you sell pastries on a wagon? how much? okay i\'ll take a finkleberry cream!

[Verrliit]

Verrliit bows to Valbrandr.

Thank you for controlling your flame-bait reflexes and taking the time to actually read my posts carefully; for realizing that I spoke of Role-Play alone; and for understanding that this is something I see, not one of my goals.

Perhaps it is my own fault and ineptitude, but I find the organization of the Forums is nearly impenetrable, and the search engine nearly useless.

With this as excuse, please pardon my ignorance of history, and answer what doubtlessly are stupid questions:

What is the source of the phobia against dragons?  I have no desire to introduce them into the ecosystem of PS either, but surely they can be mythical and mere decoration, without causing harm?

And for the last time I will mention it:
I have no desire to bring Vampires into PS either, but if you call them Lifestealers or some such, they just use Leech spells, there is no bloodsucking, and no crosses, holy water etc, how is that a problem?

Surely if it is done this way, those who love such things are then allowed to play with them.  The setting and flavor of PS is preserved, and...

Everybody wins.



The Dark Lady
Verrliit

[Keyaz]

vanned pie-ers are mobile pastry wagons! i know now!

so ... wahts a Drag hun? o.O

*shudder* lets just leave that one alone >.>