Summery and More: Vampires, Werewolfs, and the people who hate them.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Externals
Talking about PVP...

Asking for someones consent in real life to attack someone is non-existent. In any reality.. fictional, real, modern/olden times... I mean seriously, how messed up would it be, to be mad at some1 for something and ask.. hey can i attack you?.. Accept: YES/NO..

Come on.. seriously thats obserd.. no offense to anyone but thats my opinion. As for the abuse part, there will always be abusers.. who abuse rules.. Its called a ban guys.. lol

You can\'t ban people if they\'re acting within the rules.


It\'s a tough situation.  Open PVP is difficult because of negging.  The only way to have PVP is if the deffenders, protectors, and dragon council escorted all the younger members everywhere.  It would add an interesting element to the game... you know, having to have someone for protection.  It would also encourage people to travel together more often, bonds of trust, and people would seek out the stronger guilds instead of the newer ones.  It would also make people more reluctant to have PVP in public places, because everyone would rush in to help.

[Kias]

@ Externals - If you want to play a realistic thing where you can attack anyone, grief ppl and get arrested for it, it\'s called \"Life\"tm.

Last I checked, the point of fantasy games like PlaneShift, Everquest, WoW and all the other MMORPG\'s is that they are different from \"Life\"tm. Whats the point of banning people for griefing others when you can just make it consensual PvP in all areas, and free PvP in places like the Arena.

[druke]

PS made the deicision to not have open pvp a long ime ago, you should read teh sub forum

[Externals]

Lol im well aware of this considering iv been behind this game for over 3 years already. It was just a thought on how the pvp system could influence the game in a negative manner.

Second, I could care less about it.. if i wanted to play something like that I could have easily stopped playing or supporting PS a while ago too. lol.

But on the third note, like i said as a suggestion.. having open PVP in maybe \"SOME\" areas not everywhere would make people more aware and have to have the partnership or some others to cross that area.. how exciting would  it be to have consentual pvp in most areas but for a quest, you must cross some area where its all free for all and anything could happen? Just saying that it would be a nice aspect.

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Externals
how exciting would  it be to have consentual pvp in most areas but for a quest, you must cross some area where its all free for all and anything could happen? Just saying that it would be a nice aspect.

Yeah, it would utterly rock, because this area will of course be inhabited by all the PLs who enjoy griefing and the morons who think duelling points are part of the game. What a nice RP experience that would be!
If you want this sort of \"fun\", why don\'t you simply turn on \"auto accept\"?

[Cyl]

Well for all those who call for \"realism\", ...

No game EVER will be \"real\" some might be closer to \"reality\" others farer away, but fact is that if you wanted reality, the only possibility would be the real world.

There is NO point behind trying to make a game \"more real\" because how far you might go you will never reach reality.

[Externals]

Well in that case, if you dont care so much about realism, then why both making other things more realistic? That makes no sense what so ever. All im saying is, if you cant handle a pvp area, then just pay some defenders to help you cross or something.

[Seytra]

Realism is an important part in a virtual game world like a MMORPG, but it has to stop where it starts to detract from the enjoyment of the game.

[Externals]

Yes but PVP is realistic and could be fun if you know what your doing. All im saying is, in real life..there are murders that people cant explain? Do people like killing, death, etc.. thats what the police are here for.. I mean, seriously you dont expect PS to be a perfect world where all you do is RP, kill monsters, do magic, talk, do some skills. You gotta add the extra element where anything could happen. Sorry if this is against what you think but its true.

[Kythag]

You were right, nothing new to say except to say I agree, vampirism does not belong here for the reasons stated.  The horse is dead, rotted, and fertilized the ground.  Daisies are growing where the dead horse lay, and the remnants left of the dead horse are the sweet smell of flowers that don\'t seem to remember a dead horse.

[LeonardPabin]

PvP and vamps brings in a lot of players ;)and that is good for the game. and whats good for the game is good for all

I see no reason why you cant have regions within the game where you can pvp and others where you can\'t? a lawless zone with no quests or anything of importance just pvp. you do not need to enter the zone if you don?t want to


eeer i hate to say this but like in runescape

[Karyuu]

Because PlaneShift is a real RPG above anything else, where everything must have a reason and a story behind it - character and player actions especially.

*edited to add* PlaneShift is also not looking for every kind of player out there - pure hack\'n\'slashers aren\'t welcome unless they are willing to roleplay, so offering free PvP zones isn\'t likely to draw in anyone the community will truly want.

[Kythag]

This game is not about PvP.  It never  was, it never will, and it never is going to be about PvP.  I got excited about the vampire thing because I am an avid World of Darkness fan, but I have to agree with the arguments presented in these forums; it does not belong here.

Furthermore, increasing game population at the expense of the game designer\'s ideas about the game does not help the game, it hurts it.  Allowing certain things is unavoidable, \"griefers\" will always find a way to \"grief\" in some way.  The point is to limit the things that can be done in these ways so that the RP goal of this game can go forward.

[CerviasG]

Ok. I haven\'t read all of the post on here but I\'m pretty sure nobody has brought up my ideas yet... Ok I think the whole vampire thing could add a nice element... But it should be put into a Clan (guild w/e you wanna call it). Here are some of the major points I\'m thinking of:

1)Vampires are not Immortal.
2)A stake through the heart will kill them, but so will a well placed bullet or a far drop. (they aren\'t invincable.. just harder to kill)
3)Holy Water, Garlic, and the whole \"can\'t enter without being invited\" is bull.
4)Vampires can be killed from sunlight, but it would take a few hours to really do damage.
5)There should be \"half-vampires\" they don\'t need as much blood, can walk around in the day and age a just a little slower than regular people.
6)Vampires are Faster, Stronger, have better sigth, can hold their breath longer, and have a very good hearing.
7)No fangs, only really strong teeth and tough nails.
8)they can\'t transform into bats. I mean Cmon... that would be like a Kran becoming a Pixie...
9)Vampires have a shadow, and can be seen in a mirror.
10)They can heal themselves faster than regular people.
11)They do not transform people by biting them... They cut the tips of their fingers with their nails and transfer their blood into someone elses vains, then back into their own.
12)they feed using the same method only not cutting themselves.

These ideas are from the books of the Cirque Du Freak series. They are just a few... I might post the rest later... send me a PM if you want the rest of the facts and \"vampire code\" from the book.
*edit*Atleast I put a somewhat original spin on the always unoriginal topic of Vampires... I could see this working a lot better in PS other than what other people are saying... Oh yea and forgot to mention that There is a place where vampires go ever so many years called \"Council\" it is like a holiday for them where they talk about the matters at hand, then Prove themselves to eachother through battle and other things like that. Then after about  a week they go back to their normal lives. And if you went around just turning people into vampires then you would be sent to the hall of death and dropped on the spikes over and over... Not to mention that the person has to know EVERYTHING there is about vampirism before they become one and must inform one of the higher powers that they have turned somebody else and they must pass a \"judgement\" to see if they are worthy.

[Kythag]

Actually Leo, this game is an RPG above anything else.  Secondly, there is no need to talk to people like that.  It is rude and has no purpose other than to try to degrade people for whatever purpose you think it serves.