Janners Way

[Karyuu]

I think the main point I was driving at is that guild threads in this forum need to have something this particular thread doesn\'t. You are much better off recruiting in-game, as you have already done, than post about your organization here. I will simply be surprised if you find a member that decided to join due to this thread ;)

To everyone that likes to throw around the \"Ooooh, negative, harsh, unnecessary\" line, everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, and if I don\'t think something is likely to work, then I have every freedom to say so. If I am proven wrong, then I will gladly apologize and continue on my way. Until then however, I remain steadfast in my belief that this thread either shouldn\'t have been posted, or posted when the \"group,\" as I will continue calling it, finds more structure.

[Easton]

*reads the entire thread*

to get back to the point of havign a \"guild thread\", i would like to wish you luck Janner. any sort of a safe haven is simply that, and i can understand the frustration with mass-recruiters. so i hope to see that your guild continues to provide people with a place to go where no other guilds can invite them until they get so fed up they decide to leave Planeshift..

that was the objective part.. here comes the small, vague, generalization part of the post that is merely and completely subjective..

people are way too uptight around here it seems as of late. a guild is a guild.. is a guild. if you don\'t like it, ignore it. and Talamir: please don\'t ever reply to a post if you didn\'t read it. you know how ignorant that is.

Good luck Sir Janner!

-Easton

[Pestilence]

Originally posted by Karyuu
 \"Ooooh, negative, harsh, unnecessary\" line, everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, and if I don\'t think something is likely to work, then I have every freedom to say so.

Wow easy boy

First of LOVE the signature. Give me a good LOL alright

Second Only said negativity around here.. Yes ment you to but not just you and definately not sayin harsh or implying you are not allowed to post.

I do however feel people aren\'t being very welcoming on these boards so I also reserve the right to post when I think someone is negative when I feel they could also bring it in a better way or shouldn\'t be so focussed on whats wrong with an idea

I mean we are still in the testing fase. Now is the time to experiment.

[r.guppy]

As a direct response to Easton\'s post, thank you for your constructive comments.

I have added to my initial post.

5) Members are free to leave at any time with best wishes for their future endeavours. The door is always open for them to return if they wish.

[Pestilence]

good

[Danok]

Best of luck to you, Janner! I hope the best for you in your efforts!

I would agree that you might try and find a more descriptive (and less self-aggrandizing, if I may be respectfully so bold) title for your Guild (oops, sorry Karyuu!)/Group.

What I don\'t think some people see that you are trying to fulfill is that the Guild structure by its very nature favors the Lawful alignments, be they good, neutral, or evil.  You are trying to create a \"group\" (and as I write this I\'m starting to realize there are much more appropriate connotations in \"group\" for your organization than there are in \"guild)\", that does not seek to bind members under a strict rule-of-law...

...Kind of hard to have much structure in a group with this as one of its founding principles. This is probably why you pointed out in your initial post that \"this is not a Guild with ranks and structure as you are used to.\"

First thing some of the detractors will say to this is \"but there\'s such-and-such and such-and-such and such-and-such guilds that ARE chaotic guilds and they DO have some kind of structure.\"  Perhaps, but if the the devs have set such specific structural requirements than I would say said guilds really are not truly chaotic (O.K. perhaps at least not DEEPLY chaotic) since the purest form of chaos precludes any sort of rule of law--or structure for that matter.

So perhaps we really are splitting hairs and there needs to be a separate \"group\" structure for those wishing to unite more, \"loosely,\" shall we say--but then that would be chaotic.

All of this to say I don\'t see any harm in the post--as Pestilence said we\'re in the experimental stages and there\'s going to be a learning curve...

Members of Truly Chaotic Guilds/Karyuu/People-wiser-than-I-am Please feel free to comment/flame away--I love a good debate!  

/ramble off

[r.guppy]

I chose the name Janner firstly for my character and then for my guild/group because in England janner means a person born and living in the local vicinity.

Where I come from local people are friendly, kind and helpful to strangers which is why I believe the name to be appropriate and also why I will stick with it. I have found the characters of Yliakum to be much like the people where I live.

Definition added to original post. (Also added screen shots courtesy of a very kind GM)

[Kiramon]

better place a few of my opinions on this ^^

from what I understand, this is a \"safe haven\" so the purpose of this \"Group\" is to do exactly what?

Originally posted by Phinehas
I really must applaud the fact that it seems to be at least somewhat RP-oriented though. Good for you.

Exactly how do they promote RP? have I missed something?

Originally posted by r.guppy
I chose the name Janner firstly for my character and then for my guild/group because in England janner means a person born and living in the local vicinity.

Where I come from local people are friendly, kind and helpful to strangers which is why I believe the name to be appropriate and also why I will stick with it. I have found the characters of Yliakum to be much like the people where I live.

pretty ooc reason, do you think Janner means the same in Yliakum?

Okay it\'s not good, nor neutral or evil - do you know there actually is an alignment called non-aligned?

What is the point of the screenshots?

Originally posted by r.guppy
Do your own thing and have fun!

What is the point of this rule?

My conclusion:
- Good to see you trying to help new members and all :tup:

- BUT, I have yet to see this guild promote RP :tdown: (perhaps I am ignorant, if so could someone tell me exactly how it promotes RP)

- The reason of the name, is pretty much non-RP and in my opinion not a good reason :tdown:

- Needs more structure :tdown: (yes, it does! even a group/organisation or guild needs structure)

so I agree with Talamir, I doubt this will go far...

btw. in my opinion PS doesn\'t need those members who quits, just because constantly being invited by mass-recruiting guilds :baby:

[r.guppy]

*Janner is struck down by a stampeding herd of Tefusang while defending a newcomer in Yliakum. He is temporarily bereft of his good humour and tolerance.*

Originally posted by Kiramon
better place a few of my opinions on this ^^

What makes your opinion so important?

Originally posted by Kiramon
from what I understand, this is a \"safe haven\" so the purpose of this \"Group\" is to do exactly what?

Duh...... to stop the incessant pestering of guild members asking you to join their guild interrupting conversations and training/trading etc. by having to click no ....no....no...no....no!

Originally posted by Kiramon

Originally posted by Phinehas
I really must applaud the fact that it seems to be at least somewhat RP-oriented though. Good for you.

Exactly how do they promote RP? have I missed something?

What is it, if not role playing?

Originally posted by Kiramon

Originally posted by r.guppy
I chose the name Janner firstly for my character and then for my guild/group because in England janner means a person born and living in the local vicinity.

Where I come from local people are friendly, kind and helpful to strangers which is why I believe the name to be appropriate and also why I will stick with it. I have found the characters of Yliakum to be much like the people where I live.

pretty ooc reason, do you think Janner means the same in Yliakum?

Yliakum uses the English language so yes.

Originally posted by Kiramon
Okay it\'s not good, nor neutral or evil - do you know there actually is an alignment called non-aligned?

Again duh.......
1) Don\'t do things to others that you would not want done to you
2) No swearing
3) Give a helping hand to the new of this world
Sounds GOOD to me!!!

Originally posted by Kiramon
What is the point of the screenshots?

4) Do your own thing and have fun

Originally posted by Kiramon

Originally posted by r.guppy
Do your own thing and have fun!

What is the point of this rule?

Originally posted by r.guppy
for the good people of this land who wish to keep control of their own fate, instead of being put under great pressure at times to conform to the will of one guild or another.
So in short I have created a guild for like minded souls, who don\'t wish to belong to this or that alignment, but band together and still be master of their own fate.

Originally posted by Kiramon
- Needs more structure :tdown: (yes, it does! even a group/organisation or guild needs structure)

Double duh...... try reading all the posts.......

Originally posted by r.guppy
As for ranks, these will be replaced by advisor roles; as people join with specific skills and volunteer their services.

Originally posted by Kiramon
btw. in my opinion PS doesn\'t need those members who quits, just because constantly being invited by mass-recruiting guilds :baby:

Who said anything about leaving PS?? Those who get fed up are driven to joining a guild to stop the incessant pushing no....no....no....no...no.

*Janner shakes his head to clear red mist from eyes and steam from ears, regains composure and with an enigmatic smile apologises for moment of madness.*

[Kiramon]

I am expressing my opinion, which from what I know is the point of this forum, did I say it\'s important?.

When I say promoting RP I mean, when you tell a person to act like if he was his character (meaning no talking about real life).

So the point of the guild is so people can join it, just so they can get away from the invites from mass recruiting guilds? is that the only goal of this \"group\"?

Okay, seems I misunderstood the alignments part, I am sorry about that.

Originally posted by Easton
so i hope to see that your guild continues to provide people with a place to go where no other guilds can invite them until they get so fed up they decide to leave Planeshift..

He said something about people leaving

You still haven\'t answered how you are promoting RP, and if you get mad from a few comments like this. Then you got a pretty short fuse eh?

[Easton]

he has every right to be mad.. he made this thread to bounce his ideas off of some other members.. the very first post he recieved said \"i didn\'t even read your post because..\" and it goes downhill from there..

and i agree, anyone who leaves after a tiny bit of spam is somewhat weak.  but those who do the spamming are the ones who can hurt the experience for the new people.  

i have no major problems with this guild/group. as long as they do not spam in any way, and they support RP (which i know Janner does personally, but i don\'t know if he does so within the guild).

with that being said, i suggest everybody stop posting unless you are giving CONSTRUCTIVE criticism-- not just your own opinion.

-Easton

[r.guppy]

Lol. Lighten up Kiramon, the post was done light-heartedly in a role-playing mode.

No offense was taken and none intended on my part.

However I thank Sir Easton for his support.

[Pyros]

am a member of Janners way and i think its great that you can have the freedom it provides.

Its for some and its not for others, but its great not having people asking you all the time to join guilds but not having to do anything specific in one.

[Karyuu]

The members of the guild may support RP, but the \"guild\" itself does not ;) That distinction is clear. There is no RP in wanting to have a label beneath your name to prevent others from trying to give you their own.

I wonder how the recruitment process goes, however? I\'m pretty sure members of Janners Way don\'t try to proselytize ;) \"Join our guild so you won\'t have to join any other!\"

I\'m just amused at the concept :) Don\'t mean anything by that, so don\'t pounce.

[Robinmagus]

Robinmagus pounces


Though she IS right...If  your point is to keep members from having a label on them, why give them your own??