London brazilian murder odd information...

[Induane]

WARSAW, Oct 3 - Polish troops in Iraq have found four French-built advanced anti-aircraft missiles which according to the military were built this year, a Polish Defence Ministry spokesman told Reuters on Friday. \"Polish troops discovered an ammunition depot on September 29 near the region of Hilla and there were four French-made Roland-type missiles,\" Eugeniusz Mleczak said. \"It is not the first time Polish troops found ammunition in Iraq but to our surprise these missiles were produced in 2003,\" Mleczak said. The Roland anti-aircraft system is a short-range air defence missile in service with at least ten countries, including France and Germany. It is mobile, usually mounted on a vehicle, and defence experts say the missiles are highly effective against aircraft attacking at low and medium altitude. Under a strict trade embargo imposed by the United Nations, Iraq was barred form importing arms since the invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Mleczak said Polish troops were notified about the missiles by a local Iraqi, who received a reward for the information...

.... not saying I dislike french people, but I\'d say the corruption in their gov rivals that of Americas. Not acompliment to us either.  I\'m afraid of the direction the entire world is taking.  Sometimes I consider whether or not I should have brought a child into this world, but I realize we\'re born to our time, and we need children as they are our future.

[breetai]

\"As for less freedom etc. Yes, to increase security we have to give up some privicy.\"

if privacy was all we were talkin about then id say open the blinds and keep me more secure.but what we are talking about is the presidents ability to now remove the citizenship of any single citizen based on nothing, absolutley nothing, then once thier citizenship is removed they are up the creek and canb be detained forever. well only until death would be more accurate.
    mind you im a hypocrite as my wife works for the department of homeland security so my rent is paid thanks to  all the new legislation here in the great old USA.
  about the police in the UK: of course they killed the guy because of the recent bombings and of course that means the terrorists attacks were effective. there is no way around that. if people could truley just not react to terrorism then it wouldnt be done.
 no i dont think we should have taken out iraq as a warning to the world, and no i dont think the patriot act is anything but the begining of the end. but the sheeple voted yes, and the sheeple never even questioned.
  this very debate is a sign of the effectiveness of terrorism  and also perhaps a sign for more authority. people want to be lead, they just dont want to be tugged too hard by thier leash.
      perhaps thats crude of me to say, or insensitive but the whole world hasnt gone mad, its gone soft.
      example? and this one is a win for the french:

why hasnt anyone asked where the jetliner that hit the pentagon is? where are the pieces? why was the hole so small (before the roof collapsed the hole was about 16 feet wide  and 30 high )  

i can really stir things up and ask why the new york jetliners didnt have windows, what was the flash before impact seen from 4 angles? why didnt they ever show frame by frame footage even though they show frame by frame of kennedy\'s head coming off?

people spend all day arguing over reaction and it makes them totally over look and take for granted the cause.

i love my country , not my leadership but my country.
i love ideas, concepts, and i pay attention to detail in order to preserve that concept. my leadership hates people like me even to the point of saying :      
\"let us not tolerate outlandish conspiracy theories that pull the blame away from the real peratrators of these terrorist attacks\"(thats a memory quote)

here is where i swing a 180 again

dont blame my cops or anyone elses cops for overreacting to a situation like some perp in a longcoat dashing away into a crowd. the are the true public servants trying to protect. they dont get any extra power from things like the patriot act, they get extra responability.

and stress

[fken]

@breetai: I could easily understand Luxembourg citizens and Monaco citizen (for example) can think they really love their country but I cant understand a French guy who is able to say that because France is too big to be entirely visited and known. It\'s even worse for USA because its 20times bigger than France... And I cant love anything I dunno so I cant understand how you could love your country without beeing endoctrinated by your education.

@Xordan and Induane: It\'s hard to say that there are more corruption in France or not because everything is watchable. I meant for example, like \"Big One\" movie show, money of american policy can come from everyone. In France, it\'s impossible, we know where our policy money come from...

But a lot of politics already abused of the government money and a lot have to be judge (especially Chirac and some of his friends)

I dont like Chirac because he isnt a good politic in my mind. I dont like his ideas about economical policy, I dont like his ideas about almost everything. But I recognize he still has a moral sometimes, especially when he oppose himself to Bush or when he choose to ask to the french if they would like to accept the european constitution : the politics were something like 90% in favour of it and even if it was his idea he ask to the people what they think about it: result 55% said they dont want this constitution...
German government didnt ask it to his country but what I heard about Germans is that they could have been the first to refuse the constitution if government ask to the people what it think about the constitution...

So Chirac isnt a big old evil guy... he still has good main ideas... even if he\'s called \"supermenteur\" (superliar) in France... even if he stole money of HLM... even if he require 300? per day for tea consummation (Im not sure but it\'s something like that...)...

In France the Colin Powell and Bush speech has been understood as very very bad speech. Something like \"our big Dady Bush and our uncle Powell are showing what we MUST do\"... I still remember the fact Bush didnt recieve Chirac in his rach because he refused to help America to wage a war...

[Induane]

@Xordan and Induane: It\'s hard to say that there are more corruption in France or not because everything is watchable. I meant for example, like \"Big One\" movie show, money of american policy can come from everyone. In France, it\'s impossible, we know where our policy money come from...

Believe me I watch who \"donates\" to people - http://www.opensecrets.org

In France the Colin Powell and Bush speech has been understood as very very bad speech. Something like \"our big Dady Bush and our uncle Powell are showing what we MUST do\"... I still remember the fact Bush didnt recieve Chirac in his rach because he refused to help America to wage a war...

Alot about france I don\'t know but the more I live the more I realize media itself cannot be trusted to deliver the true picture.  Things get trumped one way or another and unfortunatly it comes upon us to try to weed through the bull.  I saw a couple of Powells speaches which were extremely well done but I think alot of people got the impression that Bush even didnt\' back the idea of going to the UN in the first place.. Course that could all be the media talking.... Sad times.

[Xordan]

btw, I forgot to mention this stuff:

The brazillian ran from the police because he didn\'t have a VISA; meaning that he was an illegal immigrant. He knew they were police and ran to the tube station to try and get a quick get away. If he hadn\'t run into the tube station then I doubt the police would have shot him.

Maybe that\'s a bit more helpful?

[fken]

The news here said that watchers saw the brazilian guy fell down on the pavement by itself and then the policemen came to him and shot...

it doesnt look very very like a self-defense-like shot
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I think that news and journalist cant be trusted.
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@induane : so if you watch the donations it\'s nice! no problem... What did you think about the donation of the comity of the amical of the pedophilia organization (maybe it was not the same name but it was something like that... cf: \"Big One\", maybe the movie which gave Michael Moore the right to be considered like an ennemy of the USA...)?

Michael Moore said that Politics send a letter back: something like \"We, xxx, thank comity of the amical of the pedophilia organization for their help and wish them good luck for their future actions\"... (same thing than upside : it wasnt exactly what they said but it was the same meaning)

Moreover, I think it would be hard to know everything about each government of each states... but if you like illusions...

[Xordan]

Originally posted by fken
The news here said that watchers saw the brazilian guy fell down on the pavement by itself and then the policemen came to him and shot...

Well your news was very wrong. The guy jumped into a train, tripped while being pushed by the policeman and was then shot. And btw, our police use semi-auto handguns I believe, so pressing the trigger once and holding will fire multiple shots in a pattern. In this case, 5 shots.

Michael Moore

Is a left-wing moonbat who produces crap every time he opens his mouth. :evil:

[lanser]

Originally posted by Xordan
police use semi-auto handguns I believe, so pressing the trigger once and holding will fire multiple shots in a pattern. In this case, 5 shots.

Sorry Xordan but a semi auto fires one shot for each pull on the trigger.
In the suicide bomber scenario the police are trained to \"double tap\" two shots in quick sucession to the head, for two reasons
1. to prevent activation of any explosive device by the suspect
2. to prevent the impact of a bullet from igniting the suspected device

according to the inquest 8 rounds were fired if all 4 policemen fired that makes a double tap each.

Just trying to help clear some confusion and totally agree about MM he is only interested in his own self-promotion


*typo