Banned Names

[Cha0s]

@Seytra:

\"Puns are ok in small quantities since they only detract a little bit, but when you have a lot of them it adds up to being really bad, and if you allow a few then more people will follow those few and so you\'ll have lot, which is really bad.\"

That\'s approximately what you\'re saying. My question remains, why do the puns detract? It\'s only because you choose to think of them as puns and ridicule. If you just take them as names, then that\'s all they are: names. (And please don\'t go and tell me that you can do the same with things like \"Harry Potter.\" Those sorts of things have real-world connotations; puns are just, literally, a play on words).

P.S. Names can change too. They don\'t matter much, though. And yes, character can change, but the essence of the character is always there, always the same. Without a core character concept with room for evolution of course, RP with a given person is pointless for more than one session.

[Hatchnet]

Katt is a short form of Kathrine much as John is a short form of Johnathon. In order to plasably deny one you would have to deny the other (no Thazer this is not an attack on you;just makeing a point)

[jorrit]

Originally posted by Demarthl
i wondered how long it\'d take for you to comment seytra

anyone thats unsure of their name read the naming policy, and remember now matter how slack of strict the rules are, it still needs personal judgement, that and we reserve the right to do it.

I dont think cat Katt Katte etc is suitable for the name of an Enkidukai, its a pun, puns are silly, and silly names are not alowed

What pun is that? To me \'Katt\' sounds like a name like any other but perhaps I simply don\'t know that pun.

Greetings,

[Orndorff_Trolls]

Yes, I know a person that goes by katt in real life... I do not see what is wrong with that name at all... and I would also want to know why my name is banned because Orndorff is part of my REAL name

EDIT: the reason my name is what it was is because i read the thing about how any non-rp and unoriginal names would be banned so i used my real last name and I made up trolls so it would be original... and what do I get? a banned name... I am really confused

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
Yes, I know a person that goes by katt in real life... I do not see what is wrong with that name at all... and I would also want to know why my name is banned because Orndorff is part of my REAL name

You all seem to be determined to simply not get it...

RL has nothing, and I mean nothing, to do with PS. Why? Because PS is not RL, and it is in many respects so different that things that are unobtrusive IRL become dumb in PS. Like Katt. It does not matter if IRL you are called Katt, or everyone was. The point is that once a cat in PS is called Katt, this is just dumb.

Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
EDIT: the reason my name is what it was is because i read the thing about how any non-rp and unoriginal names would be banned so i used my real last name and I made up trolls so it would be original... and what do I get? a banned name... I am really confused

Where did you get the idea that calling yourself like some very well known creature could even be remotely considered original?
Seriously, this is a guarantee to end up with a banned name. It\'s obvious.

@ Kiern: If the argument is \"Things that are not in PS are OK because they don\'t exist in PS from an IC point of view\", which is the case here, then the computer example is perfectly valid and not over the top at all.

@ Cha0s: If you say that a pun is a play of words, how can you then say that it is not to be thought of as one? If a name is an insult, am I not to think of it as one, too?

Yes, names can in very specific situations change. However, this sort of change is by far less common than a radical change in character.

@ Hatchnet: Noone is denying that Katt is short for Katherine. The only problem is that it also is a different way to spell \"Cat\", which is bad when an Enki is called that.

@ jorrit: I have very well noticed that the devs seem to have quite some troubles in taking measures people are at least informed that names are not free-for-all. The little popup on char creation is, at best, a sad joke, and the most basic teachings of interface design (like having important things like help and utility buttons not blend into the background, and to provide meaningful defaults in all cases) are still being completely ignored. How hard would it have been to have the name field have a random name in it by default? It could still be changed by the user if they want to, just so that people who don\'t care much or have few time will not have to worry about that.

[Orndorff_Trolls]

this game sucks im leaving... i may come back but most likely not...

[druke]

*waves*

the idea is good, the follow through is good to, jsut hard sometimes to see it as such

[Orndorff_Trolls]

the game is honestly good, but the naming policy is stuipd. i understand not being able to use phrases but  the rest is rediculous...

Were not allowed to use real names since PS has nothing to do with RL so we have to make up a name that makes good rp that Could be used as real names... but cant be a real name... that makes no sense

Also we can\'t use fary tale/fiction names in a fiction game which makes no sense either... so all we can do is pretty much type some random letters in that sound good together...

THAT is why I am leaving...

[jorrit]

My personal opinion (which does NOT have to represent the opinion of the dev team in general) is that there must indeed be a kind of naming policy (which focuses on role playing) and that this naming policy should be enforced pretty strictly. But I wouldn\'t go as far as actually banning names that are simply \'funny\'. Names like \'Katt\' don\'t hurt anyone. They are not offensive. The only problem with them is that they might distract slightly from the role playing experience but I feel that that is not sufficiently bad to warrant a name ban. The distraction will not last that long.

Also being \'funny\' doesn\'t actually have to be bad as well. After all who says \'funny\' isn\'t a valid way to roleplay? Not everything has to be serious all the time. Fantasy and humour can go hand in hand if done in good taste.

I would most certain ban names that are clearly offensive or are very far removed from role playing (like \'Nerd\', \'Computer\', \'StupidGobble\' and things like that).

Greetings,

[neko kyouran]

Originally posted by Seytra
RL has nothing, and I mean nothing, to do with PS. Why? Because PS is not RL, and it is in many respects so different that things that are unobtrusive IRL become dumb in PS. Like Katt. It does not matter if IRL you are called Katt, or everyone was. The point is that once a cat in PS is called Katt, this is just dumb.

I would like you to read that first sentence you wrote and then re-evaluate your argument.

The basis you are making is that in real life, there are animals called cats.  You just said that RL has nothing to do with PS. WIth that thinking, you have just validated the name Katt as a valid name for PS.  Since the in game cat creature has similar characteristics to a real life animal, you say that a person cannot be named Katt but you also say that real life has nothing to do with RL.  So which is it?

Personally, I believe that a proper name enforcement can be a good thing.  I don\'t play the matrix online after it got out of beta testing since I don\'t feel liek dealing with the 20,000 Neo variations.  But you are taking it a little too far.  I will ask you what you think of my name, Baron Perrine.  I see nothing wrong with as that is my name I use for everything, it is what people know me by all over the web.  It is indeed my real name.

[Umgssda]

I would apply the \"in dubio pro reo\" principle. There is a certain accepted justice in that.

[Orndorff_Trolls]

Originally posted by jorrit
My personal opinion (which does NOT have to represent the opinion of the dev team in general) is that there must indeed be a kind of naming policy (which focuses on role playing) and that this naming policy should be enforced pretty strictly. But I wouldn\'t go as far as actually banning names that are simply \'funny\'. Names like \'Katt\' don\'t hurt anyone. They are not offensive. The only problem with them is that they might distract slightly from the role playing experience but I feel that that is not sufficiently bad to warrant a name ban. The distraction will not last that long.

Also being \'funny\' doesn\'t actually have to be bad as well. After all who says \'funny\' isn\'t a valid way to roleplay? Not everything has to be serious all the time. Fantasy and humour can go hand in hand if done in good taste.

I would most certain ban names that are clearly offensive or are very far removed from role playing (like \'Nerd\', \'Computer\', \'StupidGobble\' and things like that).

Greetings,

Aye, I understand, but what I want to know is why we can\'t use fiction names or our real names? ... and if we CAN then I want to know why my name is banned\"

[Leeloo]

This is just silly. Coming from a country where a cat is spelled \"kat\", I didn\'t see Katt as a pun. It\'s a name, short for Kattarina (spelling may vary), but some people are actually named the short version. Just like my brother is named Mike and not Michael. Everything can be seen as breaking a rule if you try to, and to me it looks like this is what\'s happening here. Some people WANT to see katt as a pun, where as the rest of us don\'t see anything special about it until it gets pointed out by those who WANT to.

And I have to agree that the \"it doesn\'t matter that it\'s a valid name IRL, because IRL is irrelevant, but it\'s a bad name because it reminds too much of an animal IRL, which is relevant even though that animal does not exist in PS\" is silly. It\'s not a cat named Katt, it\'s an Enkidukai named Katt.

It seems there are big differences between GMs, some like to be nazi, others give the benefit of the doubt. In the beginning I had a name that obviously broke the rules, to the degree that I\'ve had people /tell\'ing me \"Hey, I liked that movie\", and the most I got was Moogie telling me that she had wondered about if my name came from that movie when I posted on the forum that I knew it was against the rules, asking if I would have to change it. Even then, it didn\'t get changed until I asked for it to be changed.

Coming up with a good name is really hard, either it\'s against some rule, it sounds just like another name or a word, it sounds silly, or it just doesn\'t fit the character. I\'m trying myself at the moment, because the one I got it changed to isn\'t really what I wanted afterall. It took a long time to decide on that name, and I\'m not happy with it.

[Seytra]

Originally posted by tbvp

Originally posted by Seytra
RL has nothing, and I mean nothing, to do with PS. Why? Because PS is not RL, and it is in many respects so different that things that are unobtrusive IRL become dumb in PS. Like Katt. It does not matter if IRL you are called Katt, or everyone was. The point is that once a cat in PS is called Katt, this is just dumb.

I would like you to read that first sentence you wrote and then re-evaluate your argument.

The basis you are making is that in real life, there are animals called cats.  You just said that RL has nothing to do with PS. WIth that thinking, you have just validated the name Katt as a valid name for PS.  Since the in game cat creature has similar characteristics to a real life animal, you say that a person cannot be named Katt but you also say that real life has nothing to do with RL.  So which is it?

If you would have bothered to actually read the thread you wouldn\'t be the third person on this thread trying to pull this flawed argument on me. Even Leeloo, who finds it silly, at least phrased it correctly.

Originally posted by tbvp
I will ask you what you think of my name, Baron Perrine.  I see nothing wrong with as that is my name I use for everything, it is what people know me by all over the web.  It is indeed my real name.

1) There is no point in stating that you use the name everywhere. Every place is different, and a name has to be chosen to reflect that. You will get away with that in IRC, but not in PS.
2) It does also not matter if it is your real name. RL doesn\'t have a decent naming policy, and I\'m perfectly sure there already are people called \"Computer\" IRL.
3) As for your name: it is obviously bad, because it is a title, not a name. Perrine is fine AFAICS, but Baron is not. This case is as clear as can be.

@ Leeloo: And you are saying that Enkis are not extremely similar to cats, then?

Oh, and I completely disagree. Finding a name is not hard at all. I use a different name for each and every character that I create, and also for each and every game I play when a name is to be chosen, and all dependant on the settings. But I don\'t even expect everyone to be able to do that, I just expect everyone to be able to see when a name isn\'t appropriate. If you must, have a randomiser create a pool of names for different occasions for you. :rolleyes:

Edit: Oh, but all of you friends of dumb names can rejoice: I have seen Katt Saphira ingame, so she found out which GMs don\'t care about decent names. :tdown:

[Leeloo]

Originally posted by Seytra
@ Leeloo: And you are saying that Enkis are not extremely similar to cats, then?

IC: What cats?

OOC: Cats walk on the keyboard, needs to be let outside, you can carry them around easily. Enkidukais never even heard of a keyboard, they can go outside by themselves, and would be way too heavy to carry anywhere. They may LOOK a bit similar, if you ignore the fact that they wear clothes, carry mugs or weapons and are supposed to be much bigger.

If you must, have a randomiser create a pool of names for different occasions for you. :rolleyes:

I have yet found a random name generator that can come up with a name that fits the character and doesn\'t sound silly.