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« Reply #45 on: August 10, 2005, 08:36:01 am »
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OOC: Cats walk on the keyboard, needs to be let outside, you can carry them around easily. Enkidukais never even heard of a keyboard, they can go outside by themselves, and would be way too heavy to carry anywhere. They may LOOK a bit similar, if you ignore the fact that they wear clothes, carry mugs or weapons and are supposed to be much bigger.


Seytra isn\'t against the name Katt on it\'s own, but against it linking Cats with Enkidukais. And that is supposed to be a bad thing because actually Enkidukais are based on Cats. Isn\'t that paradox?

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« Reply #46 on: August 10, 2005, 11:54:52 am »
I have posted before on this subject and there is a simple way around it make the random name generator on the creation page compulsory and if you want a different name you have to petition a GM (not pester incessantly like last night) and the GM\'s could discuss name requests on #planeshift or elsewhere to ensure a uniform approach.
Of course this would stop character migration with tria/items being carried over so I don\'t expect it to be implemented and would also mean more work for the GM\'s.
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« Reply #47 on: August 10, 2005, 12:11:50 pm »
Random name generators come up with silly names that reminds of Mr. Mxyzptlk. There\'s no way they can come up with a name that fits the char, except by pure luck.

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« Reply #48 on: August 10, 2005, 12:37:29 pm »
You haven\'t tried the one on the creation page then cos thats where mine came from and it wasn\'t the first either and no random jumble of letters appeared :)

* Google found http://gfhiryuu.tripod.com/random/names-index.html

no Mr. Mxyzptlk there or anything similar :)
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« Reply #49 on: August 10, 2005, 03:05:52 pm »
I would like to take this time to  go a tad off topic, but not so that it takes away from our current discussion.

I would like to thank everyone for keeping this civilized and not resort to random name calling like I have witnessed many time before when testers don\'t agree on certain things.

I have taken part in many testing peroids for new games over the last many years and I must say that this community is one of the best I have had the privilage of working with.  Even though many of you disagree on the current naming standards, you have all stated your opinions in a friendly way so as to keep a nice atmosphere while we dicuss it.  It has been awhile since I met such a similar community.  From my experience, I have seen that when people act the way you all do know when there are disagreements, the game itself is made better much faster and easier on the developement team as to oposed to having a hostile community.

And back to the topic at hand.

@Seytra

I see your points, and I do recognize them as being a valid view.  I also to believe that there needs better enforcement of the naming conventions used in PS.  I jst don\'t agree with you on some of the mor borderline examples that have come up.  As for my name, I never really made the connection to the title Baron you speak of and my name, as it is pronounced Bear-own.  My family was from Hungry, hence the name.  Sorry about my bad english btw.  After reading the stuck post about character naming, I do see that my first name is in violation of the title rule, so if it is changed, then that\'s fine by me.  (Not like I really have a chioce in the matter any, right?)

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« Reply #50 on: August 10, 2005, 03:30:10 pm »
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\"Hoomahn\" (The human equivalent of \"Katt\" for Enkis).


Wouldn\'t that be Man or Manny short for Manfred or Manuel
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« Reply #51 on: August 10, 2005, 03:38:08 pm »
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Saphira is a name used in the book \"Eragon\" its against the naming policy

Saphira isn\'t just the name of the Dragon... it\'s also a mineral... so it\'s ok.

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Before the whipe my sis had a character named Katt Saphira. Now she cant use that name because it says it\'s been banned. Why?

Think it wasn\'t banned... the char names were reserved, maybe she couldn\'t make her char with that name because of a bug... some people couldn\'t make their chars bacause their names were reserved... but they should be albe to take them...

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maybe to similar to cat... for a fenki... I am wondering too fireofsoul...

lol now that you say that it does look like cat, but I\'m fine with and actually like it :D

*only read 1st posts, so if I\'m repeating anything you\'re allowed to bap me :P :D
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« Reply #52 on: August 10, 2005, 04:14:49 pm »
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You haven\'t tried the one on the creation page then cos thats where mine came from and it wasn\'t the first either and no random jumble of letters appeared :)

* Google found http://gfhiryuu.tripod.com/random/names-index.html

no Mr. Mxyzptlk there or anything similar :)


Oh yeah? How about \"Vuthisesse\"? I\'m afraid to try pronouncing it, I might never get my tongue untagled afterwards.

And even the pronouncable ones still don\'t fit my char. How can it, there\'s no way to tell it what kind of char it has to fit. Now, I don\'t want a demorian female named like a klingon warrior, personally I think it ruins it much more than an enkidukai named Katt.

And only allowing names from that random name generator wouldn\'t help a thing either. It just suggested \"Burger\". Who knows how many tries it would take to get an entire Happy Meal?

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« Reply #53 on: August 10, 2005, 08:45:42 pm »
Aye, Yesterday I gave in and started to make a new character and used the built in name generator for a Klyros and guess what i got for a name... (I was laughing when i saw this) red Blues hahahahaha.... im dead serious but then it wouldnt let me create the char cuz i had an \"invalid race\" so wtvr

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« Reply #54 on: August 10, 2005, 11:23:30 pm »
My main reason for suggesting the random generator being the default is to stop the Neo\'s and the Destiny\'s Warriors and other completely ooc names as I said in the rest of the post if you were completely unhappy with the name generation ask for a change but keep in character.

As an aside I personally have no objections to Katt for an enki or Leeloo copyright issues aside. And I have no problem pronouncing \"Vuthisesse\" you just break it down, do have a problem with Burger though makes me want to choke :)


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« Reply #55 on: August 11, 2005, 05:24:08 pm »
No offense to the majority...but....there are some pathetic arguements, especially the one about relating cats to Endikudikais (or whatever it is) It so obviously a cat-like creature!

Jeez!
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« Reply #56 on: August 12, 2005, 05:53:09 am »
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No offense to the majority...but....there are some pathetic arguements, especially the one about relating cats to Endikudikais (or whatever it is) It so obviously a cat-like creature!


Right you are, sir, but you obviously do not get the point of that argument. The point was that Katt should not be banned because he said mine was a \"sure-to-be-banned\" name because it has my RL name in it and he said that PS has nothing to do  with RL which is why that argument was even brought up. if PS has nothing to do with RL then Katt can be used because cats dont exist in PS ... only in RL

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« Reply #57 on: August 12, 2005, 09:57:20 pm »
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The point was that Katt should not be banned because he said mine was a \"sure-to-be-banned\" name because it has my RL name in it and he said that PS has nothing to do  with RL which is why that argument was even brought up. if PS has nothing to do with RL then Katt can be used because cats dont exist in PS ... only in RL

I am apalled to see that this obviously intentionally narrow-minded argument is still being used. :(

Look, it\'s really simple AFAICS, and since there is no doubt that Katt is and will stay allowed, we can all relax and quit ignoring logic now.

My chain of reason is this:
PS is not RL, and supposed not to have RL in it.
Katt sounds like the RL cat.
Enkis are modeled / inspired by RL cats, there is no doubt about this.
Who plays PS is an RL being, not a PS char
The RL being knows RL and therefore sees the relation / does the association: catlike creature, called Katt = pun on RL cat / reference to RL cat, thus RL is being dragged into PS
Being an RL being, the RL being cannot remove RL knowledge; the only thing it can do is to not aply / express it ingame
The non-applying / non-expression helps to not notify others of RL, but the original RL being 1) must do extra work ignoring it and 2) will still be reminded of it
The RL being\'s immersion is reduced, as is the percieved seriousness

The fact that PS is being played by RL beings is why the argument \"since PS is not RL, RL things cannot hurt immersion\" is invalid.

But frankly, I\'m sick of repeating myself over and over, and I see absolutely no way to more clearly express this in yet another way, so this will be my last post on this subject. So all of you who intentionally misunderstand / ignore this consider yourselves the winners.

As for your RL name: \"Orndorff\" most likely was banned because of Paul Orndorff \"Mr Wonderful\", a famous wrestler. Affixing the name of a quite well-known and generic fantasy creature, \"Trolls\" to it, does in no way help make it less reminiscent of that. In fact, it makes it even worse by adding to it the even more widely known and thus even less acceptable reference to said fantasy creature.

As for \"Vuthisesse\", I really don\'t see anything wrong with that name. It is perfectly pronouncible, though it sounds like a title or job description. Thus, I would simply shorten it to \"Vuthise\" and be done with it.

Also, the mandatory naming generator is an option, because you can re-randomise as often as you like, and also ask a GM for a change. However, I have heard of the randomiser suggesting something ridiculous as Red Blues or Burger. Of \"Laughe Medid\", IIRC, the \"Laughe\" was done by the randomiser. Still, had this happened to me, I would simply have re-randomised, as everyone should have, instead of completing the ridicule (Laugh me did = I laughed).
Also, having the randomiser put a random name into the name field, as I also have suggested several times already, would help all the people who input a generic / lame name because they don\'t really care and / or don\'t want / can\'t come up with an own creation. It would not stop anyone who can make up a decent name replacing the random one by that.

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Saphira is a name used in the book \"Eragon\" its against the naming policy

Saphira isn\'t just the name of the Dragon... it\'s also a mineral... so it\'s ok.

This is a bad line of argumentation. Just because something also has an interpretation that does not violate the rules, it cannot be considered OK if it has one or more interpretations that do. Take \"gay\", for example. This word surely has a meaning that is not in violation of the rules (happy / colorful). By your argumentation, this would suffice to make it acceptable (since \"Frisky\" is also allowed).
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« Reply #58 on: August 12, 2005, 10:37:12 pm »
Look im not going to post anything long or detailed but this is what it should come down to.

Gm\'s have a resposability of keeping the enviroment of the game rp. If it means changing names then they should go ahead and do so. But, changing a name like Eiffle or Katt is just overboard if you ask me. Seeing somone named eiffle of katt would not effect the rp experiance at all. Gms are supposed to show players a good time and show them around. Not abuse their powers. (no offense to anyone I mention) But, what about people like kixie, kiern, ice falcon, depthblade, etc. If a gm sees them in game will they change their names. The answer is most probably no because they have been here a while. The Gms are taking advantege of newer players and its just not fair. If gms keep changing everyones names people begin to leave ps just because of bad gms. And thats the truth. Weather you GMs like it or not you have the \"power\" to make or break ps. And if you\'re gonna be an ass just resign your position.
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« Reply #59 on: August 12, 2005, 10:55:41 pm »
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But, what about people like kixie, kiern, ice falcon, depthblade, etc. If a gm sees them in game will they change their names. The answer is most probably no because they have been here a while.

This is precisely why decent enforcement has to begin immediately: it will become increasingly harder to change the \"established\" bad names. And no, there must not be any differentiation between older and newer players, ever. Everyone must be treated equally, I completely agree. Anything else would be bigotry, and thus remove all credibility from PS.

Kixie: I don\'t see a problem, but I may just not know it
Kiern: same as Kixie
Icefalcon: should be changed
Depthblade: same as Icefalcon

And a whole bunch of other oldbie and GM names should be changed as well. I have been pleasantly surprised by some who actually did. :tup:

And Efflixi: they are not \"being an arse\". Thei\'re doing their job. And I sincerely hope that you now have a decent ingame name...
And it\'s \"Eiffel\", and everyone knows the steel construct...