Second wipe

[Verrliit]

There is another good thing that has come of this thread.

Ramlambmoo, your perceptivity and thoughtful consideration are appreciated.

Regardless of any difference of opinion on technical issues that we may have, I am pleased to have encountered you, and would welcome further interaction in-game.


As for Karyuu,

I am sorry to disappoint you, but I do not feel threatened by you at all.

I have no need to force my opinions and desires down the throats of all about me.  I simply voice them.

I do not insist that all must agree with me, as you do.

If my poetry was able to create in you an emotional response of any kind at all, then it has performed well indeed.

It is too bad that you do not value that which moves you to feel.

If you read my posts again, you will find that I have already answered your last questions of me.

You were too busy attempting to belittle me to notice.


I am refreshed, and entertained.  You inspire me.

I become Cyrano, confronted by an opponent who lacks even the skill to insult him properly.


Behold!

I poke you.  

Balloon of self-importance that you are.

The tiniest of pin-pricks.

You whizz away, deflated and in disarray.  

There is no rejoinder that will redeem you.

I defeat you with Art.  

You are defenseless.


The Dark Lady
Verrliit

[Karyuu]

The Devs have invited us to play in their sandbox.

Indeed.

Whatever floats your goat, Verrliit ;) Thanks for the fun.

[zanzibar]

Conclusion:  Everybody\'s wrong!  It\'s the elitist rpers/chatters versus the elitist plers/duellers.  And as for the rest of us, well... :-D

[Neryam]

Actually I think its more a mix of \"elitist extremist RPers\" and \"Normal RPers\" and \"PLers\" and \"Thinkers\" Hmm. :rolleyes:

As you see from this thread, this sort of community splitting is what comes from wipes. Now I know that the devs will ignore this entire topic and decide what\'s best for the community but I honestly think all of you guys should calm down and play along with the dev\'s decisions. I still think that the wipe is not of the greatest use, but I am distraught that this has turned into a \"PL versus RP\" thread.

Now I agree that people who go \"L0l n00b wuts ur swd l3v3l?\" should be pounded down, as well as those that make an ubercharacer and challenge everyone. However, I think you exteme-RPers should accept the people who just prefer the occational duel and want to be able to lead the fight to kill an ulbernaut.. Those creatures were created for something, and that something is having fun as a group fighting and killing big strong monsters, so you should accept the people who like to do that, because that\'s not really any less RP than standing around talking. Standing around and talking is chat, not RP, in my opinion.
In all those glorious fantasy epics, there are great warriors that fight dragons and that sort of thing. What sort of drag would Fantasy books be if the strongest person ever to have lived could kill a rat? Pretty dang boring I would say.

What about Gandalf? What about Aragorn? What about Allanon, Bard, Dumbledore, Voldemort, The witch kings, Walker, the Ilse Witch, Anakin, Obi-wan, The Leahs, and all the countless hundreds and mabye even thousands of those powerful warriors, mages and archers? How fun would all of those books be without those characters?

Take a look now. The dividing line between PL and RP is not very definite. There are shades of grey (As well as white and black, take a look at the post beginning)
Go take a look at the post \"RP and PL deliberation\". It explains it all.

Now enough PL vs RP, back on topic.

I don\'t exactly understand how some of you think frequent wipes enforce RP. RP and wiping are two totally diffrent things. Standing around and talking is not RPing, its chatting.
RPing is building your character up, not just in strength but more importantly within your guild, in riches, and in friends! When more things are implemented, This will be even more profound as you build your guild up with guild land, buildings and even towns, you become famous, you have seige wars and big explorer quests!

Wipes do not help RPing at all. Like Eolius said earlier, before a wipe people stand around duelling each other and getting cranky and such. They don\'t exactly do much RP.

[Karyuu]

There is a huge misconception that RP is nothing but \"chatting.\" Please, guys, at least read the RP and PL deliberation thread to familiarize yourself what RP really is. It is simply acting in-character. It is perfectly reasonable to do nothing but slay monsters and train your skills, but a -character- needs to be doing this, not the -player-. This is the distinction that must be made. For all of you who think that roleplayers stand around all day discussing their character histories, wake up! There are so many adventures that have already taken place and are still continuing, with moving, fighting, traveling characters. Please don\'t ignore this.

As for the wipes enforcing RP, I too cannot see this. In my opinion it actually does the opposite.

Originally posted by Neryam
RPing is building your character up, not just in strength but more importantly within your guild, in riches, and in friends!

Precisely! But you cannot do this if your entire day is spent being antisocial, clicking away at the attack button the second a Tefusang spawns, for weeks and weeks and weeks. The only way a wipe could approach being beneficial is that it preserves the friendships and relationships formed. Nothing can take that away.

[Pestilence]

you have no right to argue. No one has any right.

LMAO

my god, Karyuu saying nobody has the right to argue LOL

No further comments this is abviously someone to involved to even see what one is writing LMAO

[Karyuu]

I meant argue with the devs, Pestilence. Thanks. I\'ll try to be clearer next time.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Karyuu
I meant argue with the devs, Pestilence. Thanks. I\'ll try to be clearer next time.

We can argue, suggest, and comment as much as we like since we\'re playtesters. :-D

[Karyuu]

I stand corrected :>

[Neryam]

Hehe   Though, I still think the devs are pretty much gonna ignore this thread now..  :rolleyes:

[ramlambmoo]

Hehe  Though, I still think the devs are pretty much gonna ignore this thread now..  

now?

[Jakob]

wow...  you people scare me... but then I scare me to so...

Anyway...  I don\'t like wipes.  On the other hand, I don\'t dislike wipes.  Where does that leave me?  Floating in a big gray bubble?  The way a lot of you people talk there is no gray area here, so do I then not exist, and if I\'m not mistaken there was at least one other person who was relatively neutral on this issue.  As for people who\'s character is, in the spirit of the character stronger than all else, there would be no change.  Would your habits in RL change any?  Would you spend any more or less time in Yliakum if you had to recreate your stats?  I doubt it.  On the other hand, people who think that combat is not in the spirit of RP (ever played a pen and paper RPG where you didn\'t fight something?  Me neither) stand to lose much more than people who would lose stats.  Think about it, we all know we lost people around the first wipe.  These characters who spend their entire existence doing no crafts (which sort of require at least a little combat to start) have nothing but others.  Those others could easily disapeer or change their names, then where are they?  On the other hand, warriors, miners, ect. know so many more people and are already familiar with the lay of the land.  I am, in game, Arew Silverwing of VanGuard.  I was once third in command of a guild of roughly 30 people.  Now I can only find 3 members of old VanGuard whose names even still exist.  If I didn\'t know anything about Yliakum, and spent all my time living in Kada-els (something I did on occasion) just being Lieutenant Arew, where would I be as the current leader of VanGuard?  I haven\'t seen a lot of people in Kada-els recently, so who I try to recruit to the VanGuard?  It\'s easier to bounce back having done a little of everything.  The other big problem that people have with wipes seems to be the character themselves...  If you don\'t want your character to change, use the exact same choices.  Write down your parents name, and you can see character creation choices, if I recall correctly, simply by looking at your characters description.  I know it\'s hard to lose, what is, let\'s face it, someone who you know and who ultimately knows you better than any one else, but think about the alternatives.  Has any one here ever created a character in SpoonScape(thx for the name Moogie)?  It consists of picking a name(usually a random assortment of letters and numbers, back when I played I saw someone whos username looked like they smacked the keyboard in frustration) and picking from a couple of different shirts and hair styles, which no one allows to be seen anyway and wear armor all the time.  Given that, I would rather create Arew Silverwing, and even the VanGuard, 1000 times than force him to live in a world like that.


Ok... I\'m done rambling now...;P

[jorrit]

Originally posted by Pestilence
I agree with the first wipe and can life with the second.

Although I have to say I think it\'s kinda strange to wipe now when we didn\'t when some people got over 7 mil in tria with the MB-CB migration. Now that was an absurd amount of advantage.

It was actually back then when we decided we needed a wipe. This wipe has been in planning for a LOONG time already. It is just that we delayed it until we were relatively sure that things were stable enough.

Greetings,

[Pestilence]

LOL planning for over half a year.

I know that was when. Just think it should have done then righ away and same now.

I mean sure we are only testers and all that, but just seems so pointless to earn money and stuff is nothing stays. My characters development is something I am proud of. I like making him a good swordsmen

And although the stories still remain. The fact he is made a newb sword fighter again is going to devalue those aswell as the stories no longer fit what he can actually do ingame.

[zanzibar]

I rose through the ranks of my first guild to be 2nd in command of a guild of 15-20 people.  Then in my second guild I rose through the ranks to be a second in command of a guild of a little over 20 people.  Now in my third guild I\'ve risen to be a second in command of a guild with over 50 people.

What does it mean?  You tell me.  Does a wipe erase my history?  Not at all!  After the wipe I\'ll have the same devious but charming reputation, the same misguided enemies, and the same true of heart friends.  A simple wipe can\'t take that away.

But run off with one damned axe.... :-D